All Forum Posts by: A.J. Chesney
A.J. Chesney has started 4 posts and replied 18 times.
Post: price for 24 units luxury apartments based on noi

- Pearl, MS
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Originally posted by @Joel Owens:
Generally unit mix of 75% 2 bed to 25% 1 bed in many markets is preferred.
50/50 is okay. 1 units turn more often which leads to more costs.
297k gross expected rent and it looks like seller pays some utilities.
They are quoting 113k expenses which is about 38% expenses. Seller paid utility on older buildings runs closer to 55 to 60% expenses.
2.7 million is over 100k a door for 24 units. That Is nuts unless this is a brand new build. Older buildings trade at half that amount per door even rehabbed.
Unless this property has way under existing market rents by hundreds per door, cost that can be shaved further, and fighting of property tax assessment to lower, and offloading utility to direct tenant pays then I do not see any benefit based on what is provided here.
If this had a bunch of additional valuable land or density could be greatly improved then maybe upside in converting or improving use.
Seems like a lot of overpriced junk out there. Why do you think these sellers are selling this stuff? They see the peak of the market................. : )
built in 2008, interiors are very nice
Post: price for 24 units luxury apartments based on noi

- Pearl, MS
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just wondering with these basic P&L numbers, what would be a good offering price?
using their initial number, i believe it puts the deal at about a 6.7 cap
24 units, 12 1/1, 12 2/2
gross rents 297k
other income ~10k
utilities 20k
repeairs 27k
advertising 1200
admin 17k
management fees 15k
taxes and insurance 36k
NOI = 184k
property seems a good bit overpriced at 2.7 mil
it is in a central area where home prices are relatively high, gated community, and very nice units
Post: what would be typical terms for a commercial loan on a 8 plex?

- Pearl, MS
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Originally posted by @Matthew Saskin:
Exactly. For any loan (although mostly applicable to commercial) there are really three factors to consider:
1 - Amortization period. Over what period of time are the Principal & Interest periods calculated (eg; 15 year? 20 year? 30 year?)
2 - Loan term. Just because a loan is a 30 year amortization does not mean that it will be a 30 year term. Case in point, the loan I referenced above (20 year amortization/6 year term) means that payments are based on the 20 year amortization schedule, however the loan is "up" a 6 years, meaning either a balloon payment is due or I have to refinance before that.
3 - Rate. Interest rate - fixed or variable, and if variable, how soon and frequently does it change and what does it change based on?
For this particular loan, I neglected to mention that I pre-negotiated a guaranteed renewal/refinance at prevailing market rates, so basically, this loan can better be viewed as a 20 year amortization/TBD term/"variable rate" with the first adjustment (from the initial 4% to prevailing market rates) occurring at the 6 year mark.
Make sense?
yes, thanks for breaking it down
Post: what would be typical terms for a commercial loan on a 8 plex?

- Pearl, MS
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Originally posted by @Matthew Saskin:
I just wrapped up two commercial loans for similar properties.
One is 80% LTV on 750k, 20 year amortization 6 year term, 4.25%
The other is 70% LTV on 1.4m, 30 year fully amortized, 4.375% fixed for 7 years, readjusts every year thereafter
what do you mean 6 year term, then the balloon is due?
Post: what would be typical terms for a commercial loan on a 8 plex?

- Pearl, MS
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"8 Plex. Each Unit Is 1 Bd, 1ba That Rents For $650 A Month. Wood Floors Throughout. Utilities Are Separately Metered. Owner Furnishes A Washer And Dryer For The Use Of All The Tenants. Gated Parking Lot With 8 Spaces. New Wiring And Upgraded Plumbing Done In 2006. Looks Real Good Structurally. Owner Has Architectural Drawing To Convert Building Into Office Space."
asking price is $420,000
are loans available relatively long term with no balloon?
Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

- Pearl, MS
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Originally posted by @Justin B.:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
can you give the street name.. I am curious ... I would like to see what your risk tolerance is and how well you bought ... or I guess I could just ask is it So Jack or north jack?
North. Right off 51. Just west of 55.
How did you find the deal if you don't mind me asking? I've been watching like a hawk all over jackson and the surrounding areas for the past month or two and I'm seeing some ok deals here and there but no knockouts. Did you buy in fondren or a little farther north?
Post: Due on sale clause was called by bank!

- Pearl, MS
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Originally posted by @Aaron Hall:
@A.J. Chesney, you could refi in the 30 days but you would fall into the same scenario. The LLC doesn't have the means to acquire the property so he would have to get a loan as himself. Then he would have a loan in his name, have spent money on the refi @ a different rate than what he has now.
This doesn't put him ahead neither in name on title nor financially. As he mentioned earlier he is also in the middle of working on other parts to his plans. Normally another refi would make thing more complex in the short run and not solve anything in the long run.
Sorry, I wasn't talking about OP's example of an LLC issue, but more of a sub to arrangement where a seller sells a house and provides their own financing while carrying a mortgage as well. In that situation, if a bank calls the note due, the purchaser would have to refi enough to pay of the original mortgage? How exactly would that work?
Hugely interesting discussion by the way
Post: Due on sale clause was called by bank!

- Pearl, MS
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so when a due on sale clause is invoked, the bank says to the seller this amount of XXX which is your remaining mortgage is due within 30 days, then the current owner could refi just enough to pay off the remaining mortgage of the sellers + the seller financing?
Post: New investor from the Jackson MS area...

- Pearl, MS
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
I am quite active in Jackson... I funded over 80 deals there last year alone.
ITs a completely under the radar market. watch out for that Yazoo clay though :)
Had to bump this, I was speaking with my grandpa the other day and mentioned an interest in real estate, and he said "watch out for that yazoo clay"
:D
Post: buying a property with existing tenants?

- Pearl, MS
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Should I expect to view the property and speak with tenants as a first step?