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All Forum Posts by: Ali Boone

Ali Boone has started 26 posts and replied 6253 times.

Post: Turnkey Locations Offering Good Appreciation

Ali BoonePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Venice Beach, CA
  • Posts 6,500
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Originally posted by @Nicholas Di Giugno:

@Ali Boone thank you so much for taking the time - Jacksonville Florida I’m assuming. I have family that way as well which would make investing in that area all the better. I’m taking the time to explore that market now - I really appreciate your input!

You're very welcome, and that would be perfect with your family out that way! If you want any turnkey connections out there, I have some great ones. Happy to share anytime.

Post: Has anyone used Hipster Investments?

Ali BoonePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Venice Beach, CA
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Originally posted by @Raj G.:

In 2017, I found Hipster Investments (Ali Boone) and through Hipster attended a webinar hosted by Maverick Investment Group (Matt Bowles, Phil Alexander). During this webinar, Maverick Investor Group promoted and referred potential investors (like me) to ABC Baltimore (Jay Walsh). In Aug 2017, we (my wife and I) purchased a Baltimore BRRR property with ABC Baltimore. The property was sold to us for $106,000 ($46000 purchase price+ $60,000 for a full rehab to be completed by ABC Baltimore).

After 2 years (Aug 2019), I lost >$12,000 in this investment (breakdown attached). Sharing my experience, in my opinion, can help educate other new and experienced investors considering similar investments with ABC Baltimore or having investment discussions with Maverick Investor Group and Hipster Investments. Based on my experience and in my opinion, I cannot recommend ABC Baltimore, Maverick Investor Group or Hipster Investments.

The investment was a BRRR purchase in Baltimore where we would pay $106,000; $46,000 for the property + $60000 for a full rehab that was going to be completed in 120 days. Maverick received a referral fees (in excess of $6000) from the transaction between ABC Baltimore and me. In addition to the $106,000, we also paid ~$3500 in closing costs. During the Maverick Investment Group webinar, ABC Baltimore made the following guarantees that were also in our final contract with ABC Baltimore-

1) If the rehab takes longer than 120 days, the seller (ABC Baltimore) will pay us a rental guarantee of $1400 per month.

2) If the house after rehab is completed appraises for less than our total purchase price of $106,000 then the seller will buy the house back.

Assured by these guarantees in the contract, we signed the contract for $106,000. We had wonderful guarantees and a signed contract. Surely, nothing can go wrong, right?

Dead Wrong. Our 120-day rehab period ended in Dec 2017 and ABC Baltimore told us that the house was “very close” to being done. Even though we were disappointed that the rehab was not complete, we thought, the rental guarantee will offset the construction delay. ABC kept the first two and half months of rent from the rental guarantee for tenant placement fees and utilities (water, electric). Based on our records, ABC did not pay water, electric or any other utilities but charges us for them anyway. We had to pay the utilities directly to Baltimore City to stop the late fees from piling and have our credit affected.

Maverick, on the other hand, continued to advise us to be patient. Months passed and ABC kept saying that house was “very close”. After several reminders, ABC Baltimore started paying rental guarantees in March 2018 ($1260/month) and they were almost always late. In my opinion, it almost felt like we had to chase and coax ABC Baltimore to get the money owed to us from the rental guarantee. The rent guarantee was never deposited without several reminders that it was past due.

In May 2018, ABC told us that the house was almost done, and we could hire a licensed Home Inspector to inspect the home. The Home Inspector report revealed major deficiencies in the rehab and the Home Inspector told me that the rehab was like “putting lipstick on a pig”. We also learned that the house had failed or not received many of Baltimore city’s permits and inspections. When I sent the Home Inspection report to ABC Baltimore, it was the usual, “We will work on the items, we are very close, etc.”. Things continued at a snail pace with the rehab and I continued to remind and plead ABC to pay us the rent guarantees.

ABC Baltimore promised to continue paying us rent even after the Rent Guarantee expired on Dec 17 2018 because the house was not ready after more than 16 months. However, starting from Dec 2018, ABC Baltimore stopped paying us rental guarantees and the house remained unfinished without required city permits to rent the house. ABC Baltimore continued to say that “house was close” and Maverick continued to ask us to be patient. We thought about hiring a lawyer but the legal fees were expected to be in the range of $10k to $15k and would have taken months (if not years). We decided against taking the legal route and continued to plead ABC Baltimore to finish the rehab and pay us the monthly rent without success.

Of course, during this entire ordeal, Baltimore City issued several citations and fines to our property because ABC Baltimore was often working without required city permits and leaving construction trash outside. Because these were liens against our property, we paid over $1200 in Baltimore city citations from our own pockets. ABC Baltimore said they would pay us back these citations but of course they did not.

In May 2019, ABC Baltimore finally told us that the house was “ready”, and we could get it appraised. We thought- “Thank you, God! The wait will be worth it!”. The appraisal of our house from our refinance company came at $60,000. The house was expected to appraise at least $106,000 per contract! We immediately sent the appraisal report to ABC Baltimore and asked them to buy the house back per contract. ABC Baltimore said they would conduct their own second appraisal (per contract ABC Baltimore had the right to conduct second appraisal).

ABC Baltimore appraisal came at $102,000 (contingent on the basement flooring being fixed). Note that the house still did NOT have the required City Permits to rent the house to a tenant. It was very surprising how ABC’s appraisal ($102,000) was so much higher than our bank’s independent appraisal ($60,000). ABC Baltimore’s appraisal was still lower than $106,000 expected per contract. We again asked ABC Baltimore to buy the house back. At this point, we were literally scared and feared that if ABC Baltimore refused to buy back the house and then we would have to go through a long and expensive legal process. Feeling helpless and powerless, we offered to give up our unpaid rents and Baltimore City Citations of over $10,000 so that we can complete the buy back without having to go through a legal process.

In July 2019, ABC Baltimore agreed to buy the house back at $95,000. Burdened with a vulnerable and helpless feeling, I agreed to accept ABC Baltimore’s reduced offer of $95k and closed the buy—back with ABC (we still had to pay closing costs). During the days leading up to the closing of the buy-back, we sent Thank-you emails to ABC Baltimore and Maverick to butter them up. This is how vulnerable I felt.

All said and done, we lost >$12,000. See the attached breakdown of losses for more details. We not only lost our hard-earned money but on top of everything, our health suffered, I had several sleepless nights due to the stress and anxiety that this horrible experience created for my wife and me.

After the buy-back was completed, I approached Maverick/Hipster to at least help us with our losses by requesting us to give back $6000. Maverick said no and said I was acting unprofessional. Maverick pointed to the agreement we signed that essentially relieved Maverick from any financial losses suffered by us. In my opinion, Maverick and Hipster, in good faith, could have given me back the referral fees they made on my transaction with ABC because (in my opinion), it was a horrible referral. To me, it felt very unfair that we lost >$12000 in our transaction with ABC Baltimore and yet Maverick Investor Group and Hipster Investments made a total commission in excess of $6000 from our transaction with ABC Baltimore. After Maverick said no to our request to help us with ~$6000, I also approached Jay Walsh after the buy-back to help us by returning portion of the money that was owed to us. Jay Walsh told me that I had agreed to the buy-back terms and asked me to “Be a Man”.

In summary, thanks to everyone for reading the long post. I have attached documents that provide additional details to my post. I will acknowledge that from my perspective, Ali Boone is a good person. However, based on this business transaction, I cannot recommend the three companies that I worked with ABC Baltimore (Jay Walsh), Maverick Investor Group (Matt Bowles) and Hipster Investments (Ali Boone) for reasons described above. I will end the post with a phrase that, in my opinion, is apt for my experience- “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”. There shall never be a second time.

Hey Raj. I feel like my response to this is going to be different than it would normally be given how much you and I discussed all of this outside of the forums. I'm sad to find out now how you feel about me and what I do, as I had hoped that my compassion for what you experienced would've been more obvious in our lengthy conversations. Because I've spent so much time trying to support you in this experience, to not a lot of avail, I'm not going to start repeating myself here. 

I will, however, stand up for myself and for Maverick. None of us are perfect, and there will never be a time where 100% of deals go perfectly. However, I can very confidently say that all of us tried relentlessly to offer you continued support through all of this, most of which you declined. The risks in doing a BRRRR were disclosed to you upfront, and you signed a legal document agreeing to not involve Maverick in any future disputes with the seller (that is a standard agreement signed by anyone working with a turnkey marketing company, as marketing companies do not in any way legally represent clients). Then when things started getting rough, you blatantly declined most of our advice along the way.

But the thing I really want to call forward is that you are the one who proposed a buy-back amount to ABC, and ABC bought the property back from you at that price. YOU proposed that amount, and it actually went against what Maverick was suggesting that you do. And then once that was completed, you chose the route of extortion when you called Maverick and said if they didn't pay you cash, you would post a negative review on BP. When they declined to pay you what ABC had paid them (you never paid a penny to me or Maverick), you proceeded to post the negative review.

Believe me, nothing that happened with ABC was fun for any of us. It's done permanent damage to all of our reputations, and whether you believe it or not, it cost all of us multiple thousands of dollars.

We gave you a referral that we all 100% stood behind at the time (I don't make referrals lightly). We had worked closely with ABC for years very successfully, and I myself had personally successfully worked with ABC for years, so when all of this happened we were completely blindsided. Nobody saw it coming. I'm so sorry you had the experience that you did, and I can only hope that only good things come from having gone through it and that you will end up succeeding just that much more with any future real estate investments.

Post: Turnkey Locations Offering Good Appreciation

Ali BoonePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Venice Beach, CA
  • Posts 6,500
  • Votes 3,173
Originally posted by @Wale Lawal:

@Nicholas Di Giugno welcome to BP and congratulations on your decision. I like the fact that you understand the BRRRR and Fixer-Upper are very time consuming.

You can talk to @Ali Boone she is a very experience Turnkey Investor.

Goodluck

Thanks so much for the shout out! Always open to connecting.

Post: Just Starting Out, getting educated!

Ali BoonePosted
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  • Venice Beach, CA
  • Posts 6,500
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Originally posted by @Stetson Giralmo:

@Ali Boone Thank you! I currently live In Monterey Bay, and have family down in LA. Would love to chat more about out of state investing and more into turnkey. Love the warm welcome.

 Awesome! Connect any time and always happy to chat.

Post: Most Important Measurables/Calculations to Track (ex. CoCROI)

Ali BoonePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Venice Beach, CA
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Originally posted by @William C.:
Originally posted by @Ali Boone:

The most important one to me is cash-on-cash (CoC). That tells me exactly what [cash flow] return I'm getting on the money I invest. That's really what matters the most. But I use cap rate also in the more initial phases of shopping around... kind of the first line of defense--get a quicker gauge of where a property falls on the returns spectrum. Plus it's good to know if I were to ever own it outright anyway. But that's definitely the faster starting point. While I'd love to think about ROI, I don't because the minute you start analyzing returns outside of the direct cash flow, you're immediately into speculation (ex. property value appreciation, presumed increase % of rents annually, etc.). I don't want to trick myself, or mislead myself, on my returns should any of those speculations not pan out. So I prefer to just consider any of the speculative returns as bonuses to my bottom line. Helps me in staying more conservative and not chasing a pipe dream return that may not pan out.

This is great. Thanks for taking the time. I can see the value in eliminating the speculative factors. At that point cash flow is top dog and any appreciation is an unexpected bonus.

Exactly. That way if the speculation parts don't happen, I'm not completely up the creek without a paddle. And who doesn't love a good monetary bonus... :)

Post: The Number 1 Mistake Out-of-State Investors Make

Ali BoonePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Venice Beach, CA
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Originally posted by @Mike D'Arrigo:
Originally posted by @Ali Boone:

Love this! I have people all the time asking me how to do it. I'm going to check it out!

Thanks Ali. It seems to be something a lot of out of state investors struggle with.

Just listened. I think it's great! What I like best about it is that your putting context to data... in a way. Most OOS investors I talk to try to gather all the data, but at the end of the day, they don't have a clue how to interpret the data once they get it. This info, to me, gives a way more practical application for determining the quality of neighborhoods rather than just offering a bunch of stats that no one knows what to do with.

Post: Just Starting Out, getting educated!

Ali BoonePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Venice Beach, CA
  • Posts 6,500
  • Votes 3,173

Welcome Stetson! Great to have you here. Where in CA do you live? I'm down in LA. I also primarily invest out-of-state. Are you wanting to find properties to put work into or buy more turnkey? Tons of resources on here for both! I've always gone the turnkey route myself for risk and effort issues.

Post: Most Important Measurables/Calculations to Track (ex. CoCROI)

Ali BoonePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Venice Beach, CA
  • Posts 6,500
  • Votes 3,173

The most important one to me is cash-on-cash (CoC). That tells me exactly what [cash flow] return I'm getting on the money I invest. That's really what matters the most. But I use cap rate also in the more initial phases of shopping around... kind of the first line of defense--get a quicker gauge of where a property falls on the returns spectrum. Plus it's good to know if I were to ever own it outright anyway. But that's definitely the faster starting point. While I'd love to think about ROI, I don't because the minute you start analyzing returns outside of the direct cash flow, you're immediately into speculation (ex. property value appreciation, presumed increase % of rents annually, etc.). I don't want to trick myself, or mislead myself, on my returns should any of those speculations not pan out. So I prefer to just consider any of the speculative returns as bonuses to my bottom line. Helps me in staying more conservative and not chasing a pipe dream return that may not pan out.

Post: Turnkey Locations Offering Good Appreciation

Ali BoonePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Venice Beach, CA
  • Posts 6,500
  • Votes 3,173

I'm way late to this thread, so someone may have already said this, but Jacksonville right now is the main turnkey market I'm working with that has the appreciation potential behind it. All the rest of the basic turnkey markets are mostly going to be cash flow (normally I'd say Chicago has potential, but there's not really any inventory there right now because of the foreclosure moratoriums). The other option you might find is that a big thing quickly creeping into turnkey world, because of the lack of existing inventories because of no foreclosures, is build-to-rent properties. The advantage to those is that, because they aren't built yet, you pay today's price and then once it's built and tenanted, the assumption is that you would end up with equity gain at that point. The downside, of course, is that you aren't making any cash flow while it's being built and you also want to be careful who you work with so you don't lose your invested money to a runaway developer. But, that's another option. During normal times there's also the BRRRRkey option (combining turnkey and BRRRR...hands-off like turnkeys and equity gain like BRRRRs), but there's not really any margins on BRRRRkeys as a whole right now. But maybe those will come back later.

Post: The Number 1 Mistake Out-of-State Investors Make

Ali BoonePosted
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  • Venice Beach, CA
  • Posts 6,500
  • Votes 3,173

Love this! I have people all the time asking me how to do it. I'm going to check it out!