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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Dincola

Andrew Dincola has started 8 posts and replied 45 times.

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Joe Splitrock:

@Andrew Dincola you can't put a clause in your lease that says "I understand I am renting a bedroom without egress". Contract law prohibits you from putting clauses in your lease that violate someone's rights under law. If that was legal, every landlord would just have a clause that said "I can evict you at any time for any reason with any amount of notice and you can never sue me." I am being absurd intentionally to prove a point. Also be aware, you should never modify a lease without an attorney reviewing the changes.

I am not sure about morality. Would you feel guilty if someone died in the basement when there was a fire because they couldn't get out? 

This is more an issue of safety and liability. If you know someone is occupying that as a bedroom, you become liable if they are hurt or killed due to lack of egress. Your insurance company will not offer you liability protection in that situation. They will cover the cost of property repair, but not the wrongful death lawsuit. 

Your liability is increased further because there is a public post where Andrew Dincola is asking if egress is needed. You know it is required, so this seems to be more about you trying to cheat the rules. I think that is what Greg took issue with. The fact that you aren't willing to follow rules is a disaster in business.

Fires happen all the time. My landlord friend had one a few months ago and the basement occupant barely made it out. I have had three fires and thankfully nobody was hurt. 

The simple solution is YOU sleep in the non-legal bedroom. I wouldn't personally recommend that, but taking chances with your own life is your choice.

Joe, thank you very much, this is quite compelling and full of useful info and perspective. This is exactly the type of response I was hoping to get out of this post as you very eloquently convey a realistic representation of what taking a risk like this could actually mean, consequentially. 

It appears to be a no-brainer once the cards are out on the table. 

 I also appreciate your suggested solution, which is something I already considered if not for my number one tenant, the lovely woman in that picture next to my name. Heck, if it were just me I’d probably take the couch and rent them ALL out! Haha

Anyway, I’d double vote this response if BP would let me. Thank you for your help!

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Fikret Sivac:

@Andrew Dincola Chicago requires a window, a door that doesn't lead into another bedroom when you exit, heat and a closet for it to be called a room. The window has to be a minimum size depending on the room and the actual room has to be a certain size to be called a room. If you invite people to live there just know the risks. We do bunch of crazy driving decisions in our daily driving and we still come home alive.


I know what you mean! Then again, if we’re smart, we also do things like insure our vehicles and check the brake fluid before we make those crazy driving decisions. There’s certainly a lot of value in driving safe! Haha thanks for the input. 

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20
Quote from @John Teachout:
Just use the space for another purpose. Storage, rec area, gym, etc. It's not worth messing with the exterior appearance of the house. Maybe you can do value add to make higher rents for the usable units. No need to discuss this with attorneys, an area without required egress is not allowed to be used as a bedroom almost anywhere in the USA. I imagine it's in the IBC (international building code) that most jurisdictions adopt.

 Great insight! Thank you, John. 

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20
Quote from @Adam Martin:

That sounds like a lot of work to add the egress however depending on pricing it may work out.  Without it I wouldn't rent it as a bedroom but that doesn't mean you can't rent it out.  More people are working from home than ever before, have you considered designating it as a separate office space and renting it to one of your tenants.  People don't want to work in the same room they sleep and you may have luck renting it as a 1 bedroom with a separate office.  The pool of renters may be smaller but so would the number of rentals to choose from helping you stand out and hopefully decreasing vacancy.  This could be an issue with current tenants though if they rented their room assuming they would have access to the space.  Many renters also pay for storage space so that is another option that may work out as well.


Adam, I like where your head is at. Similar in cleverness to what @Wanda Wilkinson suggested, but an office’s value is likely more directly rentable. This may be the way to go if the egress installation is out. Thanks for the good idea!

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20

@Megan Templeton

Thanks Megan! Do you have any attorney’s you can recommend that specialize in RE in the Denver metro?

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20

@Colleen F.

Yep, unfortunately it is entirely egressless, haha.

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20

@Greg M.

Though I find your approach to helping me with this a bit… interesting, I appreciate your input and can tell that you’re passionate in your stance on the matter. I’m happy to listen to the perspectives of those with more experience than me, which is why I posted this.

This forum is designed to give investors the opportunity to better understand the complex world of real estate through the wisdom shared by fellow investors, so, your threatening disapproval of my capability to function as a landlord aside, would you care to elaborate more on your opinions and knowledge of this matter? I’m sure you can provide some useful insight.

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20

@Jeff Rowell Thanks! Working on it. I hope you’ve found yourself something to offer on since then!

Yes, as I mentioned, I’m not opposed to adding the egress, despite the added expense and complication. I will be refinancing soon so the added value even has potential for immediate benefit in this circumstance. I also manage flips for a living so I have access to good pricing on labor and materials. I’m awaiting some updated comps from my realtor as to what 4/4s are going for in my neighborhood in relation to 3/4s and will be basing much of my decision on those results.

In the mean time I’m hoping to hear some more counsel on people’s experiences with the alternative option. Hopefully people will have some insight that can be beneficial for your understanding of the topic, too!

Thanks for your input, Jeff.

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20

@Colleen F. I’m assuming you mean aside from the main entry to the room? No, there is only one door in or out of the room.

Post: Househacking- Lease a room without egress windows?

Andrew DincolaPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 20

@Wanda Wilkinson

That’s a very creative idea! Since I’m living in the house it would be a recreational value add to me, too. ; )

Thank you for your input, Wanda.