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All Forum Posts by: Anthony R.

Anthony R. has started 21 posts and replied 234 times.

Post: Using Pre-Tax Rent To Paydown HELOC

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258
Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

It’s the same as having any other loan....rent is income, interest payments are tax deductible, principal payments are not.  There’s nothing wrong with paying down principal in order to save interest payments.  While interest payments Are deductible, you get back maybe $0.20 for every $1.00 paid in tax savings, every $1.00 still costs you a net $.80.

So are you saying than that for every pretax dollar I pay down the HELOC principle with I can expect to pay about 20% of that total number in taxes?

So if I pay down $50k of the HELOC with pretax dollars I can expect to owe $10k in taxes?

Post: Using Pre-Tax Rent To Paydown HELOC

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

So it recently occurred to me that I might be setting myself up for failure. 

Earlier in the year, I bought a new building, but instead of traditional financing, this time I used my HELOC to purchase it.

The numbers are roughly as follows

Purchase price: 45000
Repairs: 20000

Total loaded onto HELOC ~65000

Now that all the repairs are done and it's fully rented, the plan is to use all rental income from this property and the other rentals in our portfolio to pay this HELOC down as fast as possible.

I'm also using a little of my earned income as well. Right now we're 2 payments in and looking at about 10 more payments. 

So my question is, am I setting myself up for a tax nightmare at the end of the year?


It occurred to me that the rent is pre-tax and this is a non-traditional loan, so I'm not sure what can be written off here, if anything. My fear is I end up owing a giant tax bill. 

Post: First Day...... 35 inquiries!!!!!

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

When I list units I have a standard disclaimer I tell every person prior to them scheduling an appointment:

Disclaimer:

All tenants are required to pass a $30 background check

I look at

  1. Credit history (I don't look at their score)
  2. I don't want to see anything in collections
  3. No evictions in the last 3 years
  4. Tenants must provide pay stubs that show monthly income that is at least 2.5x the monthly rent 

This weeds out about 90% of the shenanigans. If someone is close on the income or has a $50 collection I probably over look it. This disclaimer makes it clear to everyone though of what I expect.

After I show the unit, who I charge, depends on how I show the unit. 

If I show the unit as an open house, I make everyone fill out a paper application and then pick the best from the pile. That person then does the paid application. 

If I schedule showings, then I take the first qualified person to apply. 

Post: Rent Collecting with a Rental LLC Pyramid

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

So I appreciate everyone's input. I did in fact speak with a real estate attorney. He told me that yes, you can have a parent LLC that collects all your rent and it isn't considered co-mingling of funds. Speak with your own lawyer to confirm this for your state but he seemed pretty adamant that it was okay in Ohio

Post: Rent Collecting with a Rental LLC Pyramid

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

@Sylvia B. Yeah this is a nice setup. I'd like to do something like this but my concern is that you're co-mingling your funds which could put the entire rental business at risk if there's a law suit. A judge could say that since all the funds are going into a single account, all the properties are part of the same business. 

Have you came across this question? Have you heard from an attorney if this is legitimate or not? 

Post: Rent Collecting with a Rental LLC Pyramid

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

Let's assume the following

  • In Ohio
  • Each property is in an LLC
  • Each LLC has a bank account
  • All the LLC's are owned by a single parent LLC

If this above setup is what I put in place, can the tenants of each property pay rent to the parent LLC directly?

The reason I ask is that I don't want to have to take extra time each month to transfer the money out of each individual account into a single account so that I can pay bills, pay the mortgage, do repairs etc.

Is there a logical way to structure this or are the laws really this dumb? 

Post: Investor friendly real estate agent for Lakewood Property

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

@Mark Enriquez Matt Chase with Chase Group is who I've been working with for about 8 years. Matt, through working with me and other investors, knows a lot about what investors are looking for. He's out of Avon and has sold me 3 in Lakewood and 2 in Lorain. Working on another 2 as we speak. 

Post: Hidden Gotchya's in Staring in REI - Lessons Learned in Blood

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

So I just wanted to start a discussion that focused on the little hangups that new investors face when getting into REI. I've hit these and I'm sure others have and will too.

Problem: You have no experience. You're buying your first rental. You don't make enough to cover the debt of the building. You can't use the income of the building to qualify since it's your first rental. 

Solution: Increase your W2 income or save up and buy the property cash. You should also be able to cosign on the loan to increase the income. This should only be an issue for the first property.  

Problem: You're going to finance your next rental. You need to have enough money in reserves to cover the debt, for three months, for each of your existing loans, plus the one you intend on taking on. This reserve money must not include your down payment or closing costs.

Solution: I ran into this on my second purchase and it hurt a ton. I lost the deal. What I ended up doing was leveraging my company 401k plan to build up reserves super fast. My company offered a 401k match also. So with the 401k match and me dumping tax free funds into the account, I was able to build up enough fast so that I'd never have this issue again. 

Problem: BRRR works great until you have to many loans. One thing I didn't realize until I was well on the path was that most big banks have a max amount of loans that you're allowed to have. I've heard 5, I've heard 10. I believe the answer is 4 not including your primary residence.

Solution: This is a tough one. Once you reach this point you'll need to either start buying cash, exploring private lenders who don't have this restriction, or start trading your properties up. I'm currently looking for a long term, low cost, solution to this. My answer right now is using a HELOC to purchase properties cash. I'm also looking at doing a 1031 exchange to trade one of my properties for something larger.

Problem: House hacking works great until you attempt to move into a smaller property. I've run into this before. The underwriter won't sign on a loan for a house hack if the property your going to is a reduced standard of living. It's considered abuse of the system. 

Solution: If you wish to continue house hacking, you'll need to consistently find bigger units for you to move into. You'll also need to write a letter to the underwriter explaining that the new place is an increase in standard of living for X, Y, Z. For example, more bedrooms, bigger back yard, closer to work or school. 

Problem: You buy a property, you renovate it, you rent it out, now it's time to refinance it. Except you managed to renovate it and rehab it within two months of buying it. So now the bank won't refinance it because there's a minimum amount of seasoning required. Seasoning is the amount of time that you hold the property after purchase. 

Solution: The only REAL solution here is time. I've currently heard three different time frames from lenders. Big banks often require 12 months. I had a private lender tell me 6 months and I recently had a small local bank say 3 months. You just have to wait, so be ready for it. 

These are just a few of the things I've found to be a pain. I'm sure the community has some input as well. I'd love to hear it. Including if you have better solutions for the problems I faced. 

Post: HELOC Application denied. Why?

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

@Kerry Baird when I inquired with Key Bank how they came up with their number they told me a combination of a drive by appraisal and zillow.... 

I wish I could have seen the look on my face at the time when I heard that, but I was too busy living it. 

Post: HELOC Application denied. Why?

Anthony R.Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Lakewood, OH
  • Posts 250
  • Votes 258

@Ernesto Hernandez I got a HELOC last November on my primary residences. I first went with KeyBank and they under appraised my residence by $100k.... After I stopped laughing in the face of the agent there, I did some digging and found out that they only did a drive by appraisal. So I went to another bank that I insured did walk through appraisals and JUST LIKE MAGIC my property was worth within ~$5k of what I expected it to be.

So the TLDR; here is, make sure they didn't do a drive by and decide that you didn't have enough LTV for a HELOC.