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All Forum Posts by: Ashley Bitner

Ashley Bitner has started 2 posts and replied 11 times.

Quote from @Grant Med:

@Ashley Bitner

How awesome, I live in Oceanside haha. If you'd like to connect sometime I would be happy to help you out. My wife and I run our business here so we could share some ideas. Good luck!

OMG! yes that would be awesome! hahha small world 



We're in Oceanside. I just listened to a podcast on the STR/MTR combo - seems like a great idea! Thanks for the tip on FF, I definitely need to pay more attention to my leads dashboard and be proactive about reaching out.

We're in Oceanside. I just listened to a podcast on the STR/MTR combo - seems like a great idea! Thanks for the tip on FF, I definitely need to pay more attention to my leads dashboard and be proactive about reaching out.

Quote from @Michael Baum:

Hi Michael! Yep, I actually secured the permit a few years ago with the city. I've been paying to keep it active each year even though we haven't really put it to use till now. They've since stopped issuing any new STR permits (and who knows what the future will hold for current permit holders) but for now we are "grandfathered in" with our current permit.

Quote from @Carolyn Fuller:

Yes. Last year, we rented our house out on Airbnb over the summer when we were able to stay locally with family, and we had a handful of guests from Europe. This year we haven't had a single one. I'm expecting international travel to be way down. :( 

Quote from @John Underwood:

 Hmmmm that's good to know about VRBO. I also noticed their cut is much higher than Airbnb - do you charge more on VRBO to make up for this? Thanks!

Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

 Thank you!! I've found a CPA through Bigger Pockets I've been thinking of signing on with, this would be an excellent question for him! 

Quote from @Lauren Kormylo:

This is all great food for thought ... thank you! I am on furnished finders but haven't had much luck. Competitors seem to be charging around $6500/month so maybe that's worth leaning into a bit more! 

We own a home in Southern California, walking distance to the beach. A few months ago, we moved one town over into a rental townhouse so our boys could be closer to school and friends. I listed our home on Airbnb and have been self-managing.

I chose the STR route because I like being able to keep tabs on the house and stay on top of maintenance and improvements. Also, I've found hosting to be pretty fun and rewarding. I've received a ton of nice messages from families who have enjoyed our house and appreciated having it as a home base for their vacations.

Since starting, we've been averaging about $5,000/month in revenue from Airbnb. This number could definitely be higher. But, to be honest, I'm just really picky about guests. The only platform I am on is Airbnb because I really like being able to read guest reviews before accepting bookings, and other platforms don’t offer that. We're friends with all of our neighbors, and it’s important to me that guests are a good fit for our neighborhood, so I’ve definitely turned down quite a few booking requests that didn’t pass the vibe check.

LTR comps in our area average around $5,500/month. I'm trying to figure out whether the tax advantages of STR, combined with the benefit of keeping eyes on the house, make it worth continuing down this path. OR if I'm crazy to be putting in all the extra work that an STR requires, and maybe we'd be better off switching to an LTR.

For folks who have experience doing both—what are your thoughts/opinions?

Quote from @Dan H.:

Hands off ADU additions in southern Ca are often one of the worse RE investments most due to the cost to build being higher than the value added by the ADU addition. Your expense is magnified due to the unpermitted garage.

I suggest you search the BP forums for values that appraisers are providing ADUs I further suggest you understand the value that will be added by the ADU addition prior to proceeding

Here are reasons hands off ADU additions are poor RE investments in So Cal:

1) The value added by the ADU addition is often significantly less than the cost of adding the ADU. Search the BP for ADU appraisals to encounter numerous examples. This creates a negative initial position. This negative position can consume years of cash flow to recover. Make sure you know the value the ADU will add to the property before building the ADU.
2) The financing on an ADU is typically far worse than for initial investment property acq
uisition or is often not leveraged (HELOC, cash out refi, etc). Leverage magnifies return.
3) The effort involved in adding an ADU is comparable or larger than a rehab associated with a BRRRR. However if I do a BRRRR I can achieve infinite return by extracting all of my investment. Due to item 1, adding an ADU can require years to start achieving any return (once the accumulated cash flow recovers the initial negative position).
4) Adding an ADU is a slow process. It can take a year or more to complete an ADU. During this time you are not generating any return from the money invested in the ADU. This amounts to lost opportunity because if you had purchased RE, at the closing it can start producing return.
5) ADUs detract from the existing structure whether this is privacy, a garage, or just yard space.
6) this is related to the value added by the ADU, but there are many more buyers looking to purchase homes for their family than there are RE investors looking to purchase small unit count properties. This may affect value or time required to sell.
7) Adding an ADU does not make the property a duplex. For example in many jurisdictions I can STR units in a duplex but cannot STR an ADU (some jurisdictions will let you STR if you owner occupy). Duplex have different zoning that may permit additional units. Duplex can always add additional units via the ADU laws.
8) Related to the value added by the ADU, purchasing a property with an existing ADU is cheaper than buying a property and adding an ADU. Why add an ADU if it can be purchased cheaper?
9) Fannie/Freddie will NOT finance a 2-4 unit building with an ADU. This lowers refinance options. It can potentially limit your buyers when/if you go to sell. This is another reason ADU resale values are lower than hands off cost to add an ADU.
10) if CA an ADU and JADU can be added to virtually all homes. However, Freddie/Fannie will not finance a parcel with 2 ADUs. This lowers refinance options. It can potentially limit your buyers when/if you go to sell.
11) JADUs require OO. Note this is not only to rent the JADU, but in strictest interpretation to even have a legal JADU. This limits purchasers to house hackers significantly limiting the potential buyer. JADU are value subtract as they typically reduce the value of the RE and often best option at selling is to remove the JADU.
12) if the ADU is being added to a SFH, the ADU can make the house rent controlled (if it is over 15 years old). See AB1482.


good luck


@Dan - This is all really helpful info and gives me a lot to think about- thank you! Another component for me to keep in mind is that I have a STR permit on my house and last year, I started renting it out over the summer when I traveled. If I'm being honest, it's kind of a drag, but it brought in some extra cash. As soon as I file for permits for an ADU with the city, I will lose that STR permit.