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All Forum Posts by: Robert DeForge

Robert DeForge has started 10 posts and replied 58 times.

Post: Missouri Real Estate License Question

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50

@Matthew Teter

The thought was to stay in the KC metro area. If you have a contact,  I'd appreciate the info. 

I understand some of the benefits of being an agent, but at this point I'm completely ignorant to the RE agent process.

Post: Missouri Real Estate License Question

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50

@Matthew Teter

I don't really know the process of being affiliated with a broker in MO. I'm looking for info. Are there brokers that allow out-of-state agents to be "affiliated" with them?

Post: Seller does NOT want RE agent involved

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50

I also recently had a similar scenario. There were too many red flags for me with deferred maintenance and roof issues so I backed out.

I'm interested in the responses as well.

Post: Missouri Real Estate License Question

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50

Looking into the possibility of obtaining my RE license in Missouri. I currently have one property in KCMO and looking for more.

Is it possible to complete all the requirements remotely from CA? Will I need to be affiliated with a broker in MO? Lots of questions that I'm sure have been answered here before but can't the answers. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!

Post: Advice - I think I just killed my mentor..

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50

This is our first house with this PM. I think he was just showing us options in combinations. He does have standard finishes. He was just showing me the ones he uses and made sure we liked them. 

We have other properties that I manage locally, but this is our first time working with this PM out of state. I think the FaceTime thing is s good tool to see progress. 

This reminds me of a commercial/ residential property that I looked at while in KCMO. Open wiring hanging face level from the ceiling, dead rats floating in the tub, plywood counter tops. The most disgusting living conditions I've seen. And believe me, I've been in lots of nasty houses after being in the fire service for 25 years. What was worse is that the property owner bragged that he only rented to "illegals" and took recommendations for future tenants from his illegal tenants. They don't turn him in, and I n turn he wouldn't turn them in. I don't even know how that property owner and his agent could even show that place with a straight face. Disgraceful. My agent got a clear picture that day what my tolerance level is for scum bag sellers and scum bag agents.

Post: Advice - I think I just killed my mentor..

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50
Chris Purcell We, as in my wife and I.

Post: Advice - I think I just killed my mentor..

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50
Chris Purcell I guess my post does kinda have that "I just got broken up with" feeling doesn't it.. LOL! Nothing like that, but I am strong. I will move on and find another. LOL! 😀

Post: Advice - I think I just killed my mentor..

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50

I said mentor, but more like someone to bounce ideas off of and get advice about the area from. In hind sight, you vuys sre right. My mentor and PM shouldn't be the same person. Too much of a chance for conflict of interest. 

@james Wise My agent is independent but the leasing agent and PM work together. The PM came as a referral from the RE company. 

For clarification, I'm in CA and he's in KC. I thought the FaceTime thing was a great idea. 

@Ryan Evans

The 100 property guy exists. I've spoken with him. He and our PM are close friends. Due to that, I don't think I'll be getting any leads from him now either. :(

I try to have everyone I talk to keep an eye out for deals for me.  Bring out of state, it can't hurt to have extra eyes in my target area. :)

I'm just bummed because I felt like he was in a good circle of people with the potential for a lot of great leads. Hate to lose thos potential contacts.

Post: Advice - I think I just killed my mentor..

Robert DeForgePosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Cruz, CA
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 50

Hey BPers 

Let me start by saying, I didn't actually kill him, just possibly killed my mentorship.

I'm looking for some advice and guidance in regards to my mentor/ PM.

I got interested in a market that a few family members and co-workers have property in. I have spent a considerable amount of time learning the market and settled on an area that I felt was a good. We purchased a basic, clean, solid property and secured a PM that came recommended by a large RE company. 

I hit it off pretty quickly with the PM. Jobs in common, similar beliefs in preventative property maintenance, etc. We decided to have him do a few basic upgrades. Carpet, paint, switch plates, blinds, etc. The communication was pretty good. Face time while choosing paint colors, carpet, progress. It was all dreamy. I told him that we were looking for off-market deals. He told me that he was also an investor with a few local properties and had a close friend/mentor that also had approx 100 local properties. 

Everything was good until he told me he had found a property in a "great neighborhood" that he had been watching. I felt his easy going attitude change to more of a high pressure approach and that I needed to buy this deal! He also said his friend/ mentor had 25-30 properties in the neighborhood.

He had seen someone move out of it several weeks earlier and then the FOR RENT sign went up in the yard. He called the owner, he told him it was renting at $900/mo. He immediately offered $85k, the owner was interested, but countered a couple days later at $91k. I was told that he would buy it if I didn't. I told him we were interested, but we hadn't been able to get inside yet. He didn't think we needed to really to see the inside and that the estimate of $10-12k in repairs was all I needed to know and should move forward with the purchase. He thought we could get $1100/mo. (A leasing agent I contacted said it would go for about $850/mo) The comps showed a sale in the last 6 months of a like property selling at $109k. He said ARV would be $120k..

My agent scheduled a showing and the inside indeed needed updating, but it also showed a 30 yr old furnace, 10-15 yr old water heater and A/C, indication of roof leaks, tile work needed, etc. After he and my agent walked through he called me. Naturally I had questions and he immediately said "I sense you're getting cold feet", made a couple comments about my agent not being progressive and aggressive enough and that the leasing agent is wrong on the rental price. I felt the repair costs could be an additional $10-15k outside his estimate. I decided against the purchase. He immediately stated that he was going to purchase it, but he normally only gave $50kish for these types of properties. I was confused.. Further he said that he would continue to manage our properties, but he would not be looking for or bringing us any more "deals" and made a few more comments about the problem of "new investors"..

I guess I just ended the conversation with a big question mark. Did I offend him because I didn't trust his advice on this ONE property? Did I paint him into a corner with his offer to the owner and now he's committed to buy it? Was he hoping to make money on the repairs that we were likely to have him complete? Will this damage the relationship we have in regards to our other property? 

I really like this guy. He's funny and has what appears to be a solid, common sense approach to PM. I just wasn't comfortable with this ONE recommendation. 

We're still looking for at least two more properties. So, I guess now I'm on the hunt for another mentor in the KC area. 

I'd really appreciate you feedback!