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All Forum Posts by: Brady Dawkins

Brady Dawkins has started 3 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Mobile Home Note

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

@Darren Eady

 You are correct. I get beaten down on this forum every time I mention owner finance or any sort of Lonnie Deal so I put that disclaimer out. I still get income verification and a few other items to cover me.

@Account Closed

You are also correct. Lot rent is the biggest headache to holding a MH. Important to build your buyers list and make friends with the park supervisor. The depreciation and outlay does worry me since I didn't get to negotiate and buy low on my own. I'm thinking of including an "Origination Fee" that will be refunded if the note is paid off in a certain amount of time, say a year. That way if they default I have a little equity and it also encourages the buyer to get my money back as soon as possible.

Post: Mobile Home Note

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

I did a "Lonnie Deal" with a couple about two years ago on a mobile home. They were great buyers: they moved in, fixed the place up and paid the note off early. Now they are looking to upgrade homes. They found another MH they want to move into and already negotiated a price with the seller. They approached me about financing the home for them to see if I would be interested. My questions for the forum are:

A) Is a private money note loan such as this a good deal on a mobile home?

B) If it can be a good deal, what sort of return should I look for? 12% ROI is sort of standard for SFH rental but is that good for a MH?

C) Anything I should look out for legally? I know there's a lot of discussion about Dodd-Frank these days and I know how to navigate that fairly well. I'm interested in securing the lien, any repossession issues I may face, etc.

Thanks for the input.

Post: How to Structure a Partnership

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

@Jeff Rabinowitz That's a good point. The simpler the better. What are standard terms for hard money loans like that? I think I've heard 12% kicked around. What about timeline? Is it all due after a year usually? 

Post: How to Structure a Partnership

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

I'm planning on buying a couple of houses to fix and rent.  I would like to bring on an investor who is a good friend of mine to handle the cash portion of the transaction while I manage the flip and tenants in the future. After the fix I plan to refi to get as much cash back as possible.

My question is, what is a fair set up for this type of partnership? My goal with these is long term passive income, so I want as much of the future rents as possible. I'd like to get him in and out of each deal as quickly as possible.  Any thoughts? 

Post: My First Mobile Home Story

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

@Raymond B. This opens up a whole new world for me. Thanks Raymond.

@Curt Smith I took this excerpt from a RE lawyer's website. Seems to me I can do 3 of these a year without having to jump through every hoop.

"The Dodd-Frank Law (Title XIV – Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act)"

...The seller is obligated to investigate the buyer’s credit history, current and expected income, current obligations, debt-to-income ratio, employment status, and the like in order to make this determination. This law provides for a de minimus exception for persons doing not more than three owner-financed transactions per year (so long as the seller/lender is not in the building business) – but the loan must be fully amortizing (no balloon); the seller must determine that the buyer has the ability to repay the loan (and this must be supported by verifications and documentation); and the note must have a fixed rate or, if adjustable, may adjust only after five or more years and be subject to reasonable annual and lifetime limitations on interest rate increases.

@Leslie A. 

Post: My First Mobile Home Story

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

@John Fedro: Thanks for the critique. It's interesting to see an experienced investor's take on the Red Flags and how to handle them.

I think my 2 biggest issues are 1) knowing what problems to look for as well as knowing how much it will cost to repair them. I've done some repairs to my own home but I know nothing about furnaces or floor repair. 2) finding homes for sale and buyers. Craigslist is filled with brokers selling houses and most of them need to be moved. There were 2 or 3 new ones a day. Like I said driving for dollars worked but it's time consuming. I have a full time job and would try to hit a park or two on the way home after work but gas and time start to add up quickly. Any tips on finding leads would be great. Or maybe I'll listen to a few more podcasts!

@Curt Smith - I've read that thread and a couple of others a few times. The condescension really wears me out. I did a SFR owner finance a few years ago before I had any clue about regulations and once I found out there were some I freaked out and started reading as much as I could. However, in Texas, my understanding is that if you originate less than 5 loans in a rolling 12 month period you don't have to be licensed.

http://www.sml.texas.gov/tdsml_faq_mb_texas_SAFE_A...

I assume I am protected by this but I'm the first to admit I know a lot less than I should. Dodd-Frank requires a ton of disclosures and due diligence now in order to make everything up and up. It's all very confusing and gives me tired head just to think about.

Post: My First Mobile Home Story

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5
Originally posted by @Rocky Vasquez:

So how much of your actual time was spent on this deal?  Was it worth the $1920?  Glad to see another Arlington, TX investor on BP. 

 Good question. I've tried to figure it up looking back but that's hard to do. I'd definitely say too much for the $1920. It probably would have been less stressful and the same amount of time spent if I would have just gotten a second job. With no equity in owner finance deals it's important that you make plenty of money to make your time worth it. 

Great to see another Arlington investor. Maybe our paths will cross at some point.

Post: My First Mobile Home Story

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5
 @Leslie A.: You're definitely right about the price. Looking back I should have had a tougher negotiation on the original purchase. If I would have bought for less I could have done some of the cosmetic work myself and probably gotten 10k for it.

I forgot to mention that a lady walking through the home one day showed me that on most MHs near the breaker box there is a sticker that shows the original construction date. This home ended up being an early 80's model instead of early 90's.

And it's funny you mentioned John Fedro. I just listened to one of his podcasts last week. Very informative. 

Post: My First Mobile Home Story

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

I spend a decent amount of time lurking here but rarely post. That said, I thought I'd share my recent Mobile Home investment story. 

I was looking to buy some mobile homes last summer for cash and then flip it as an owner finance. I had read up on Lonnie Deals and decided to go for it. In May of last year I put up several ads on Craigslist and called a few ads for homes sale from Craigslist but did not have much luck in my area. I started driving for dollars and had better leads by calling for sale signs that I saw in homes.

I called on about 25 homes in 4 months and after screening for deals ended up walking through 5 and made offers on 3. 

The one deal I ended up doing was a 2 bed 2 bath 14' x 66' Melody. In early August the owner, who lived there with his wife and 3 kids, was asking $6,500. That was about $1000 less than comparable homes were asking for and he wanted to be out by the time school started, which was in a month from the time I walked through the home. 

There were several issues with the home. The exterior was light green with dark green trim and the interior smelled like old food. Not disgusting but it smelled baked in and like you could never get it out. Fly paper was hanging in the kitchen and only partially doing its job. There was a bedroom door off the hinges and a bathroom that had some "minor plumbing issues," but nothing major according to the owner. He wasn't sure what year it was but thought it was an early 90's model. The registered title didn't show a date either. Even with what I knew was going on, there didn't seem to be structural problems or any leaking and most of the fixes appeared to be cosmetic. The property tax and lien records also came back clean.

I did no further investigation of the house. I didn't check electrical, but I knew the AC worked because it was cool in the middle of the summer both times I went in. I spoke to the park manager about what I wanted to do and she was fine with it. However, she did have a few requests. 1) She wanted the exterior of the house repainted because it was an eyesore. 2) She was raising lot rent to "market" which would make it $420 a month! ($420 is very high in my area but the park was in decent shape with decent tenants.) I haggled with her on both accounts but she would not budge on the lot rent. She said we could leave the re-painting up to whoever ended up moving into the house.

After several back-and-forths with the homeowner I ended up getting the home for $4500 cash and had generated 3 very interested buyers by the time I purchased the home. I also had to pay a $200 deposit with the park. 

I scheduled a time for all 3 of my leads to come see the house. Only 1 showed up and was clearly on drugs of some sort. I ended up holding the home for a month and had to pay an extra lot rent. 

During that time I also went to transfer title at the courthouse. I had to pay the next year's taxes in order for the title to transfer (Tarrant County law, I believe) so I did that and it cost me another $190. 

I finally found a buyer. A boyfriend and girlfriend and the girlfriend's 2 kids. The park runs a solid background check and the couple passed and both had sources of income. They bought the place for $7500 and put $1,000 down plus the taxes. They would replace my deposit with the park once the note was paid off.

I financed the $6,500 over 3 years at 9%. That gave me payments of $208 per month and kept the buyers cost under $650 each month, including lot rent. We also stipulated in the contract that if they paid it off the note in 12 months I would take $500 off the principal. I would get all my money back in about 17 months (longer than I wanted) but would have about 19 months of $208 a month free and clear.

They made their first 4 payments before I got an email from the owner asking how much I would take off if they paid it off in 6 months. I told them I'd take an extra $250 off the balance, but had no communication after my response.

The following weekend I got a call from the park manager asking if I knew the tenants had moved out. Apparently there was a domestic dispute. I went to survey the damage and was dismayed. A fist sized hole was in one wall and trash was everywhere. Instead of repainting the exterior of the house they had painted the interior literally every color of the rainbow, including alternating green and yellow cabinets in the kitchen.

I called the occupant to no avail. Never heard a word.

To recap the numbers:

Out: $4500 purchase + $190 taxes + $450 lot rent + $50 cleaning = $5,190

In: $1000 down + $190 taxes + 4 monthly payments $830 = $2,220

I now owned a mobile home for $2,970, but in much worse cosmetic shape than when I originally bought it. 

It was now winter and I put the home back on the market. There were very few bites on my ads and signs and ended up paying another $420 in lot rent. I doubled my efforts on Craigslist and called some of my old leads and eventually ginned up enough interest to do an open house on one Saturday. I had 4 buyers come by all around the same time, which was great. I got 2 offers that day. The offer I ended up going with was an offer of $4000 down and 4 monthly payments of $500, contingent on the electricity and plumbing working, since all had been shut off since the last buyer left.

The deal immediately made me whole on my investment. I was due 4 payments of $500 and would be rid of the Mobile Home in 6 months, August of this year, or at least I hoped.

New numbers:

Started: -$2970

Out: $420 Lot rent

In: $4000 down payment

I was now in the clear $610.

A few months in to the new year I got a letter from the tax assessor saying the since the home no longer carried a homestead exemption the taxes had doubled. I owed another $190. I'm now in the clear $420 before I start collecting my 4 $500 payments.

Before I received my first payment the new owners wanted to meet with me about some things they discovered about the home. When we met they brought pictures and receipts from contractors. One of the pictures showed the tub in the bathroom that experienced the "minor plumbing issues" had rotted completely through the floor. In the same bathroom the toilet was not hooked up to any sewage and just flushed onto the ground. The electrical in one entire bedroom also didn't work.

We agreed to knock their final $500 payment off of the contract.  I would now be receiving 3 payments.

They new owners made their final payment last month. I ended up making $1,920 on the deal in a year and should get my $200 deposit back once I am officially off the park lease this month. I'm also working with the current owners to find a place to finance for their niece.

Lessons learned:

You make money on the buy, not the sale; be more thorough on inspection and don't be generous regarding fixes before you take possession of the property; I still like holding notes instead of being a landlord; there is a price for your time. I'm sure there are others that I don't realize I've learned yet.

I hope others can learn from some of my experiences.

Post: Brand New -- Mobile Home Question

Brady DawkinsPosted
  • Investor
  • Arlington, TX
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 5

John Fedro -

So in your opinion/experience buying with seller financing is preferable to buying the MH with cash and selling part of the note to a 3rd party? Seems like you would have a little more control by selling the note but I guess that leaves one less moving part.