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All Forum Posts by: Bruno P.

Bruno P. has started 3 posts and replied 9 times.

Quote from @Patrick O'Sullivan:

Hi @Bruno P., this actually sounds like a fairly common scenario, especially in today’s market, where more homeowners are selling and shifting to renting.

If she can provide clear documentation from the title company confirming the proceeds and the closing timeline, that helps a lot. I would also want to see proof of continued employment, even if she’s not currently assigned to a project. A letter from her employer confirming her status could go a long way in verifying stability.

That said, I would still treat it like any other application and make sure the credit and background checks come back clean. If everything else checks out but you still feel unsure, asking for a larger deposit or a few months of rent upfront can offer some added peace of mind, as long as it’s allowed under your local laws.

At the end of the day, it comes down to how comfortable you feel with the risk and whether the documentation fully supports the story she is presenting. You are thinking through it the right way.

Best of luck with the decision. It sounds like you are approaching it carefully, which is the right move.


 Thanks Patrick! I agree, this shouldn't change my application/review process and I need to be comfortable with the situation before making a decision.

Quote from @Carl Millsap:

@Bruno P. We had two homeowners who sold their home and needed to rent. Based on the information we found during our normal application process we did the following: 

1. 1 paid for 6 months in advance w/ deposit. Unfortunately when the 6 months was up we had to evict them.

2. The 2nd paid for the year upfront with proceeds from the sell. 

An couple options you can consider if your laws allow it...

1. Double deposit and first month, or double deposit and 3 months upfront since it sounds like her employment is more of a contract not an actual W-2. 

2. Normal upfront (whatever that is for you) based on your application process and a rent guarantee insurance policy with LEAP or some other company that provides that service. 

These are the two options we take when prospects don't score high enough on our Rubric. 

Hope this helps.


 Thanks Carl, I like that approach!

Hello,

I got a message from a potential tenant, with the caveats below. Any recommendations?

- No rental history, since she has been a homeowner since 2021 and is selling her house, with a closing date of Sep 17th.

- She is currently a Senior Consultant at a consulting firm and she is not actively assigned to a project at the moment, but remain employed with the firm.

- She will receive proceeds that will fully cover the lease term, and can provide a proof of proceeds letter from the title company to document this.

I could ask for additional proof of ownership, although the letter of the title company might suffice. And the proceeds should cover at least 3x the annual rent. And she would still have to pass the background and credit check.
But is that enough or too risky?

Thanks!

Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

I am not aware of any issues with using third-party screening services. Technically it's up to $25 and not to exceed your actual cost of the credit report. 

We use Zillow applications to pre-select and run a full background check on mysmartmove only with the final candidate. The applicant needs a credit card to complete the process and they charge more than $25.

A lot of landlords in Milwaukee do the same. I am on the board of the RPA (Rental Property Association of Wisconsin, a non-profit) and typically hear if things like this are an issue from our members or attorneys. There is some legislative push-back on "junk-fees", but every example I have seen was IMO truly a rip-off.


 Thanks Marcus, very helpful! I'll consider the strategy of pre-screening with Zillow and using mysmartmove with the final candidate!

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Bruno P.:

Here's a good guide with links to the law: https://www.tenantresourcecenter.org/earnest_money

If you charge $25 and the credit screening costs $10, you can keep the $10 as income. If the credit screening costs $25, then you earn nothing.

I believe there are exceptions for a higher fee, but you have to stick to the actual cost of the screening.

I would talk to an attorney before charging more than $25 per applicant. You probably don't run many applications, so I wouldn't sweat losing a little money on each one. You can pre-screen them for free, then run the credit/criminal background only for those that pass your initial review so you're not wasting time.


 Thanks for the answer and the helpful link!

Hello!

I'm using a property management software (TurboTenant) for rental applications and screening reports, and they charge each prospective tenant $45 for this service.

However, the Wisconsin State Legislature states that the landlord can only charge the actual cost of a credit report (up to $25). If the tenant is from another state, a background check cost of up to $25 may also apply (sec. 704.085).

It is unclear to me if I am actually in breach of this rule by charging the tenant more than the $25 limit, even though it is through a third party. Additionally, ATCP 134.05 says that if the tenant provides a consumer credit report from an agency that compiles and maintains files on consumers on a nationwide basis and it is less than 30 days old, the landlord may still run a credit check but at its own expense.

When I inquired with the company, they replied: "These laws are in place to ensure that you, as a landlord, are not profiting by incentivizing multiple applicants to apply when you have no intent to rent to them. As a third-party software company that does not own or manage any properties, we charge renters a screening fee, not an application fee. This charge covers the cost of generating the screening and background reports."

I understand that these rules vary depending on the state, but any thoughts on this? It is such a common practice for these management software companies to charge these fees, so I assume it is not an issue, especially since they are a third party and the fees cover more than just the credit checks.

Any insight is helpful!

Thank you!

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the world of real estate investments. I recently started studying FI strategies and it led me to this community!

I live in Chicago and plan to buy my first house hack by end of year/beginning of next year.

Looking forward to learn from all of you!