Originally posted by @John Ellis:
Just out of curiosity for the people that are advising against this...How do you do your deals? Are you the GC? Are you the PM? Who is there on a daily or hourly basis? How many change orders happen? Who deals with the subs? Gets the contracts, W9s, insurance, ect. Who hires and fires? Who does quality control not just what you see but every part of the job? Because if not I bet you are paying far greater then you ever imagined. In the 50/50 case the contractor does not charge overhead on labor or materials.A qualified contractor does not just swing a hammer. There is so much more and they are so more valuable then most posters wish you to see. I wish in this business contractors were looked upon more the just dumb raw laborers who should be happy to work for you. A relationship and a deal should benefit both. Taking advantage of contractors will work for you in the first couple of deals but as your reputation grows you will be hiring people who are not reliable, do not do quality work, can not pull permits, do not have insurance, do not care about their craft. The good ones and there are plenty know their worth and will reward those who choose them.
I act as my own GC, I find the deals, get them approved, finance them, and if they are rentals manage them afterwards. I don't believe real estate is a hands off business and strongly disagree with the hire out everything I don't want to be near the job site approach. Its your money, its your business manage it! Hiring and managing GOOD contractors is a big job as is finding and buyer from GOOD suppliers at the right price.
As a result I deal with quality control, its my money they have to make me happy to get the check. I also understand most of the jobs so they can't really BS me, I grew up doing most of them. A lot of my subs have worked with me or other people I know for years.
As a result my cost per SF is low in my area and my margins are healthy, and surprises while they do happen to not cost a ton. I see a number of new "flippers" at auctions overpaying and I know their costs are more than mine, probably a lot more. They find themselves a GC and do it hands off, well hands off is expensive.
My bankers have said flat out one of the reasons they are funding the larger deals now is because we are "hands on" investors. A lot of guys bring them all sorts of deals but have not the slightest clue on how to actually execute it. Hand them a print, $2m, and a piece of dirt and they are calling random GC's cruising towards expensive mistakes.
YMMV and their are many ways of doing things, but I have always preferred the hands on direct control approach. I still clean my job sites as much as possible because you see more lose ends or mistakes while cleaning. I still jump in the trench and shoot the grades because I want to know if the guy doing the site work is BS me about cost overruns. Rock what rock I shot that footing myself, etc.