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All Forum Posts by: Christian Klock

Christian Klock has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: Any Creative Finance Wiz Kids in Here?

Christian KlockPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2

@Kyle A. you should also post this in the creative finance with pace morby Facebook group if you haven’t yet I think you can get some more answers there. Best of luck! 

Post: Individual manager to airbnb company

Christian KlockPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Mahmuda L.:

Sorry it's too big but I don't post often. And really need some advice.

I bought a big old 5b2b house couple years ago. I had a management company but saw them struggling to find tenant. It's a single family house. Not only that it's hard to find a single family who needs 5 bedrooms, but also it's hard to find group of 5 friends who want to live together. The potential rent would have been 3k/m but the company had to advertise for 2k because 3k is too high for that area for single family with mom, dad, couple kids.

Anyways, very quickly I switched to an individual manager who rents rooms to students or young professionals. Current rent is 3k/m. The business has been profiting but one caveat: she does not advertise. So I, as owner have to. It is a rent per room business, so it's hard to find advertising agent who would legally do that in Philadelphia given 5 strangers are not allowed to live together. Also, all 5 tenants share 1 kitchen which I do not have the money to remodel currently. It's too messy with that many people using common space. I bought shelves for now.

Few dilemas I have:

  • I look for long term tenants but people are more interested in 3 to 4 month lease. So I have to constantly find ones who want 9 to 12m.
  • Even if I settle for 3m lease, then I have to start advertising again in couple months.
  • My manager has one girl who does ad on the side who charges $50 to find tenant per room. What’s frustrating is, I have to give her $50 if she find 12m AND $50 if she finds 3m. And it’s mostly those 3m ones. And she isn’t that regular either. I have to constantly be on the lookout.
  • I look for prospective tenants for 12m lease but my manager shows them her other houses too when they don’t like mine. Note, her other houses are brand new. So basically I am transferring tenants to her other landlords without getting paid for it. And I don’t wanna cause any friction so I stay quiet about it even though it does not seem fair to me.
  • I really tried to find individuals to advertise on the side but haven't had luck. Even my family members are too busy for this.

If you are still reading, I am contemplating to switch to airbnb and hand it over to an airbnb management company who does full service. But usually companies charge 20% fee and I would have no clue who stays because they will handle advertising and booking. I see they might take advantage of that. And the high fee will cause a huge drop in my net income.

I am sharing this here to see what your thoughts are. I am a frustrating OUT OF STATE landlord with a full time engineering job and it brothers me to do my own advertisement. But I have been very close to my property manager and found her to be reliable (except transferring prospective tenants to other landlords). I worry, with new airbnb company, I will have these situations (in no order):

  • Lose (trust in) my current manager and cause friction in our business relation
  • Not sure how much transparent an airbnb company will be with bookings and net profit
  • Much much higher management fee. Currently I pay 8%. It will become 20% and I won't have constant stays like rental
  • Switching management while I can not be in that place physically adds more communication risk
  • Also, my place is furnished. But I might need additional cost to make it airbnb ready
  • Not only there will be less money coming in due to short sporadic stays, there will be more money going out

I’ve been contemplating on this for about a year. Please give some advice. I wanted to sell too but with capital gain tax and losing a source of passive income stopped me. I just wanna avoid handling advertisement myself and not pay fortune to have someone do it. And this kind of patching FIVE rooms between tenants for 3m to 4m honestly terrifies me when I have to handle the advertising for that myself. It's simply not sustainable that way. I would really appreciate your advice on this.

 Hi Lisa 

My name is Christian and I’m from Philadelphia. I thought of a few options. However I am somewhat new to the real estate space so forgive me if more people came in with better advice than me I’m just hoping I can help. 
- option 1 for me depending on the location of the home would be looking to see if I qualified for section 8 (depending on the area of my property). This should solve your problem with needing to finding new tenants constantly, guarantee income and since it’s 5 BRs you should get a good amount of income. This also creates opportunity to keep long term tenants who respect your house because of your 5BR situation. 
- option 2 if you transition into the short term rental I believe it would be in your best interest to remodel kitchen and new furnishing. I’m not as familiar with that space but from what I heard the places that look professional normally dominate the space. Yes that will cost extra money but I believe that’s the cost of doing that business and it may reward you.

Best of luck hope that helps. If you wanna discuss more reach out! Also I’m Philadelphia based contractor so if I can help in any way you can reach out for that aswell. 

Post: Next Steps? What would you do if you were me?

Christian KlockPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2

Hey Lyle , 

Very clear introduction that was awesome. I’m in a very similar situation as you and I’m working on networking with others in my area which are Philly and New Jersey. When you get you back if you’d like to join a meet up contact me.

Best of luck!

Post: gatherings networking meet ups

Christian KlockPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

@Jonathan Greene puts on a zoom calls called

Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Wednesday at 7pm. There’s a rookie (1st Wednesday), NJ (2nd), Philly (3rd), and VIP (4th) call.

Here’s a the philly zoom info

 http://bit.ly/zen-philly


Hey Eric thanks for the recommendation I'll be checking it out for sure

Post: gatherings networking meet ups

Christian KlockPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Richard A Mandis III:

Hey Christian 

im part of the SJREIA group (www.sjreia.org to find out more), and both in person and virtual meetings are taking place. We just had yesterday an in person main meeting in Cherry Hill. You do not have to be a member to attend (i think the fee is $10-$20 for non members) but i encourage you to become as it is a great start to networking and education. Feel free to reach out to me as im a local investor in your are and also a part of creative financing mentorship nationwide. Love to help anyway that i can!

Cheers!

Rich


 Hey Richard 

Thanks I'm definitely gonna check this out hopefully ill see you up there!

Post: gatherings networking meet ups

Christian KlockPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Tony Brown:

I don't attend any meetings but I am in the Philadelphia area and would enjoy having someone my age to bounce ideas off 


 Yea Tony anytime you wanna chat reach out 

Post: gatherings networking meet ups

Christian KlockPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 2

Hay BP nation,

Is there anyone in the Philadelphia or New Jersey area that attends any meet ups or online gatherings?