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All Forum Posts by: Aaron Yates

Aaron Yates has started 47 posts and replied 625 times.

Post: Four-plex help in Michigan

Aaron YatesPosted
  • Investor
  • Macomb, MI
  • Posts 654
  • Votes 115
Originally posted by @Jason Eyerly:
Originally posted by @Aaron Yates:
Originally posted by @Jason Eyerly:
Originally posted by @Aaron Yates:
Originally posted by @Aaron Montague:
@Aaron Yates this is why I look at ROI when computing the returns on a property. It is a good way to compare deals that aren't even remotely similar in price tag. This 200k multi meets my criteria at 99k. If I invest 25k + 5k in closing, I need to see $4500/year to meet my 15% ROI.
If I buy a 25k SFH, I need to put 20% down + 5k in closing. My investment is 10k total. I only need to see $1500/year here to meet my 15% ROI goal. The sunk costs, closing specifically, hurt more with lower priced buildings.
Your point about the markets is vitally important. There are markets where there is money to be made in every aspect of RE. In other markets the only place to make any money is notes. This process goes on and on and then changes as soon as the market floods.

Maybe my math lessons in school were different than yours but I get 25% plus Net ROI in my market. But I stopped advertising this because so many people basically called me a liar. And for a $25K property here in Michigan, if you are paying 5K in closing costs you are getting screwed!!!

My point to responding is to open @Brandon Gentile s mind to other opportunities other than multi-family. I also have been digging deep into apartment comlexes and multi-family. But in our market, the ROI is still much greater with SFR.

But then again, I do manage my own properties, I do rehab my properties to the point of not needing repairs for many years and to a higher standard than most for the areas I invest in, I do buy properties cheap and rehab them because it doesn't scare me.

So my decision process is simple. Oh.. and I do buy without using any percentage rules. I buy simply based on what I feel is good for me and what I can afford and as long as its not in a war zone.

This probably makes some of you cringe but not everything needs to be done by rules in investing.

I'd disagree. No investor will be successful without a system or a defined set of rules they follow. You may be succesful now, but there's always the future. Any of the greats will tell you that.

And who exactly would that be you are referring to? You should recheck your information... I may not be the next J D Rockafeller whom was BIG on people creating their own wealth by NOT following the ACCEPTED path for success.... but I have accomplished alot and dont need to explain myself to anyone. Im here to help people so they dont have to struggle like i did in the beginning.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...

.. but opinions are NOT fact and should not be pushed on others. I speak only of real experiences and NOT of what OTHER people claim to be true!

But thank you for your response. It just proves my point i have mentioned many times on here about people speaking about things that they dont know anything about!

Someone gets overly defensive when there's an opposing opinion, huh? Calm down, guy. I was stating what's been quoted many times by very succesful investors whether you like it or not.

Again my point exactly. Its your opinion. I stated fact.

Its not being defensive its being truthful. People are successful many different ways in real estate. There are no specific rules to follow. No magic numbers.

Sure you need a plan. I never said you didnt. But with time, things change with change comes new opportunities. You need to be open minded and able to adapt to change to succeed.

If no one ever adapted to change or figured out new technology or techniques we would all still be cavemen!

And as i stated in the end of my initial response... im sure my technique will make many cringe. And it did. But my way works for ne as well as many others in my market that have done a hell if alot better thsn i have already.

So again... i ask... who are you referring to in regards to the greats??? Are they here in my market, metro detroit, today??? Id love to meet them.

Originally posted by @Joe Delia:
Originally posted by @Aaron Yates:
Originally posted by @Joe Delia:
Originally posted by @Aaron Yates:
Originally posted by @Olvin Pettway:
Hello,
I am a new investor, and need some help or direction. I want to place a few offers, but I am having trouble obtaining MLS's Retail and Wholesales (REOs and SS) reports from agents. Where can I find the MLS's or similar reports on Retail and REOs/SS sales, pending,and sold comps, in order for me to confirm if my deals are really good deals?
Finally, can anyone recommend REO agents in Oakland County MI that works with investors, for as a cash buyer my group wants to fix and flip in high end neighbors?
Thanks.

Are you willing to do some footwork yourself? If not, it will be hard to find an agent to work with you. @Joe Delia will be helpful but remember that he not only is an investor but his full time job is being an agent and they need to make a living as well.

The more self-sufficient you become in property research the easier it will be to find an 'investor friendly' agent. But even then you will have troubles. I've been through 7 in 2 1/2 years not counting the ones that flat out told me no...

May as well just go to 8 and stop there since we're neighbors and all now.

Sorry but you just confused me abour the whole 8 mile thing... my mind is stuck on all the stupid things ive read on here tonight and reminded me why i have cut back on my involvement on BP in regards to sharing my experiences.

Not 8 mile, go to your 8th realtor, me. Send me an email lets get lunch soon

Ahhhhh... gotcha.... good idea... but it cant be lunch. I still have a day job unfortunately. Unless we do it on a weekend.

Originally posted by @Joe Delia:
Originally posted by @Aaron Yates:
Originally posted by @Olvin Pettway:
Hello,
I am a new investor, and need some help or direction. I want to place a few offers, but I am having trouble obtaining MLS's Retail and Wholesales (REOs and SS) reports from agents. Where can I find the MLS's or similar reports on Retail and REOs/SS sales, pending,and sold comps, in order for me to confirm if my deals are really good deals?
Finally, can anyone recommend REO agents in Oakland County MI that works with investors, for as a cash buyer my group wants to fix and flip in high end neighbors?
Thanks.

Are you willing to do some footwork yourself? If not, it will be hard to find an agent to work with you. @Joe Delia will be helpful but remember that he not only is an investor but his full time job is being an agent and they need to make a living as well.

The more self-sufficient you become in property research the easier it will be to find an 'investor friendly' agent. But even then you will have troubles. I've been through 7 in 2 1/2 years not counting the ones that flat out told me no...

May as well just go to 8 and stop there since we're neighbors and all now.

Sorry but you just confused me abour the whole 8 mile thing... my mind is stuck on all the stupid things ive read on here tonight and reminded me why i have cut back on my involvement on BP in regards to sharing my experiences.

Post: Four-plex help in Michigan

Aaron YatesPosted
  • Investor
  • Macomb, MI
  • Posts 654
  • Votes 115
Originally posted by @Jason Eyerly:
Originally posted by @Aaron Yates:
Originally posted by @Aaron Montague:
@Aaron Yates this is why I look at ROI when computing the returns on a property. It is a good way to compare deals that aren't even remotely similar in price tag. This 200k multi meets my criteria at 99k. If I invest 25k + 5k in closing, I need to see $4500/year to meet my 15% ROI.
If I buy a 25k SFH, I need to put 20% down + 5k in closing. My investment is 10k total. I only need to see $1500/year here to meet my 15% ROI goal. The sunk costs, closing specifically, hurt more with lower priced buildings.
Your point about the markets is vitally important. There are markets where there is money to be made in every aspect of RE. In other markets the only place to make any money is notes. This process goes on and on and then changes as soon as the market floods.

Maybe my math lessons in school were different than yours but I get 25% plus Net ROI in my market. But I stopped advertising this because so many people basically called me a liar. And for a $25K property here in Michigan, if you are paying 5K in closing costs you are getting screwed!!!

My point to responding is to open @Brandon Gentile s mind to other opportunities other than multi-family. I also have been digging deep into apartment comlexes and multi-family. But in our market, the ROI is still much greater with SFR.

But then again, I do manage my own properties, I do rehab my properties to the point of not needing repairs for many years and to a higher standard than most for the areas I invest in, I do buy properties cheap and rehab them because it doesn't scare me.

So my decision process is simple. Oh.. and I do buy without using any percentage rules. I buy simply based on what I feel is good for me and what I can afford and as long as its not in a war zone.

This probably makes some of you cringe but not everything needs to be done by rules in investing.

I'd disagree. No investor will be successful without a system or a defined set of rules they follow. You may be succesful now, but there's always the future. Any of the greats will tell you that.

And who exactly would that be you are referring to? You should recheck your information... I may not be the next J D Rockafeller whom was BIG on people creating their own wealth by NOT following the ACCEPTED path for success.... but I have accomplished alot and dont need to explain myself to anyone. Im here to help people so they dont have to struggle like i did in the beginning.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...

.. but opinions are NOT fact and should not be pushed on others. I speak only of real experiences and NOT of what OTHER people claim to be true!

But thank you for your response. It just proves my point i have mentioned many times on here about people speaking about things that they dont know anything about!

Originally posted by @Felecia Sewell:
Aaron That is so encouraging thank you . I really needed those encouraging words.

Thats why I share my experiences. I want other people to not give up!!

I read your profile before posting this. One thing I will share that I have not mentioned on here before...

I initially was obsessed with flipping. I only invested in rentals because I couldnt get funding and had to do what I financially was capable of.

After the second property and seeing people so happy with the housing i provide i was hooked. I rehab my properties better than many landlords and have my reasons for doing so.

But it is awesome to be able to help people when others wont. I have had a hard life prior to entering the auto industry. Most would NOT help me in any way and I did what i needed To survive.

Literally lived in basementa and on living room floors. So to be able to help others now is completely amazing.

But most people dont see that side of me. They see an investor who must be rich and heartless or crazy to invest in because there is no money in real estate right now.

Too bad thats not the truth. Thats ok though because the few that i make happy and building a strong future for my family is what matters.

Dont tell too many people this though. They will just think u are crazy... not to mention me...

If this is your dream, dont give up. Whether its one property or 100. Do what you can and get rid of the negative people in your life.

Post: thinking out loud on how to do this

Aaron YatesPosted
  • Investor
  • Macomb, MI
  • Posts 654
  • Votes 115
Originally posted by @Tom A.:
At that price point you'll have to find cash buyers. Many banks won't do, or make it prohibitively expensive to do mortgages that low. Land contracts from investors to owner-occupants are basically dead in Michigan.

The good news is that a lot of buyers in today's market are flush with cash. The bad news is those that have $29K cash aren't looking to buy a $29K house. The cheapest flip I'd do in metro Detroit would be in the $100+K range.

You'll be stuck with these as rentals, for yourself or as turnkeys. Not that that's a bad idea, but don't look at this as a standard flip strategy.

I do know of two banks that will. One requires a higher credit score than the other but there essentially is no minimum. They dont sell thier mortgages and this is how they are able to do this. One specifically for fha requires a minimum of a 640 credit score. Conventional is 670.

Closing costs will be the same as if it were an $80,000 mortgage but you have to weigh all the options.

So it is possible for those who are interested in financing. I have spent hundreds of hours the past 1 1/2 years. I have spoken with well over 20 lenders in and out of state. Banks, credit unions, mortgage comapnies, hard money lenders, so called private money lenders, and business lenders.

Had my credit run over 30 times all in the pursuit of financing. I now know the ins and outs of essentially ALL financing.

The people getting easy financing are those with over 800 score. But there are opportunities for 620 and higher as long as you have no bankruptcy or foreclosure.

Many may see me as new but the difference is that i do the footwork. I dont rely on other peoples experinces to determine my future in investing. So take my information as you will but if i had someone give me the knowledge i learned BEFORE i had to leqrn ot myself it would have save me a lot of time.

Post: Do it Yourself Rehab

Aaron YatesPosted
  • Investor
  • Macomb, MI
  • Posts 654
  • Votes 115
Originally posted by @J Scott:
I can't speak for other rehabbers, but I'd never want to live in a house that I rehabbed myself...and I certainly wouldn't be comfortable selling a house I rehabbed myself to someone else.

All of my contractors have many years of experience in their areas of specialty, and to think I could replicate their quality of work after reading a book or watching a YouTube video is ridiculous.

The only work I'd consider doing myself is the stuff I could pay someone $10-15/hour to do (demo, doorknobs, etc)...and I'm pretty sure my time is worth more than $10-15/hour.

Just my $.02, and I know others may not agree (though I think they'd agree they wouldn't want to live in a house I rehabbed :-)...

Ha ha ha.... apparently none of us wpuld want to live in a house you rehabbed... lol

I actually would rather live in a house i rehabbed because they are nicer than the house i live in..

My wife ALWAYS asks me... why dont you fix our house... i respond "because our house COSTS us money and the rentals MAKE us money

Post: thinking out loud on how to do this

Aaron YatesPosted
  • Investor
  • Macomb, MI
  • Posts 654
  • Votes 115
Originally posted by @Rob K.:
Originally posted by @Aaron Yates:
Originally posted by @Rob K.:
I too am curious where you're finding 3 bedroom houses outside of Detroit for $10,000. Why are they only renting for $700? Are these in Pontiac?

This is before rehab... all-in-costs are avg $25K. I assumed he meant he was looking for distressed and going to rehab them.

If i misunderstood and he meant move-in-ready then its a pipe-dream.

Even if he's talking about houses in South Warren, the $10,000 ones are junk and will require more money to fix than they are worth. I'm really curious where these houses are.

If you say so.

Post: thinking out loud on how to do this

Aaron YatesPosted
  • Investor
  • Macomb, MI
  • Posts 654
  • Votes 115
Originally posted by @John Moore:
The advice your getting is somewhat on the money. Line up end loan mortgage company's first. Find out what the lowest amount they will finance; it takes as much time, effort, expense and energy to finance the small mortagees as it does the larger ones so most of the lenders don't want the smaller mortgages. . Having said that, you might explore investors who might want to buy and hold if it's not too much of a war zone. You might find Credit Unions that would consider smaller mortgages. Don't give up, if you look hard enought you will find a source and you may find some cash buyers from people who may want to borrow from there retirement accounts. Food for thought.

I have done this footwork for over a year now... otherwise i wouldnt have responded. Unfortunately i am in a rare situation credit wise and what most investors experience with ease of financing, i do not have. So if you want an investor frindly lender i have that contact.

I havent been very active on bp due to the negativity here on bp but a bug bit me tonight and i decided to stir the pot to that negativity.

Anyways... good post John. Its nice to see that others do know the reality of financing and footwork involved.

Post: thinking out loud on how to do this

Aaron YatesPosted
  • Investor
  • Macomb, MI
  • Posts 654
  • Votes 115
Originally posted by @Rob K.:
I too am curious where you're finding 3 bedroom houses outside of Detroit for $10,000. Why are they only renting for $700? Are these in Pontiac?

This is before rehab... all-in-costs are avg $25K. I assumed he meant he was looking for distressed and going to rehab them.

If i misunderstood and he meant move-in-ready then its a pipe-dream.