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All Forum Posts by: Cody L.

Cody L. has started 35 posts and replied 3663 times.

Post: Finding Cash Flow Properties!

Cody L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 3,802
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Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Cody L.:
Quote from @Amara Berg:

If you are looking for just a return I would start by determining what return you would need. Think of your cash flow monthly and also how it relates to what you've invested (IE your cash on cash), as well as the cap rate. Each market is different. I'm in San Diego where the cap rates on Multi range from 3-5%. I read a report earlier on Fort Lauderdale that was published by Marcus and Millichap. They publish great information about what markets are thriving, emerging, declining, and so forth. They also do a good job of outlining the net absorption rates. Also, I would hire a good real estate agent to find you off-market deals. I wish you the best! Amara


 Funny you mention low San Diego caps.  Someone sent me a fourplex (FOURPLEX) that was $3.2m...  I think each unit was a 700sf 2/1.  How in the @#)$(* &  would someone cash flow with a 700sf unit when they're paying $800k   That's insane.

To put that in perspective, I just bought a beautiful historic property in the museum district of Houston.  A+ location (by our best parks, med center, museums, etc).  The units rent for about $900/month (should be $1000/month but whatever).   I paid $78k/unit.   They'll cash flow.  The property is great.  Tons of land value.  etc.   I just can't imagine buying at the prices being asked in San Diego.   Makes me wonder, like in the case of the fourplex I saw today -- who the F is paying that much (and why?)


 I do not disagree with your assessment but wanted to seriously answer the question posed. 

Rentometer shows average 3/2 SFH rent in San Diego rose over $800/month YOY and Redfin shows YOY appreciation was 11%. So it is someone that is expecting this to continue.

Assuming it does and it is purchased at 75% LTV ($800k plus closing costs), the property appreciates $350k in the first year (great return on $800k after just one year) and if we use half of the 3/2 SFR rent increase because 2/1 and not SFH we would get $1200/month rent increase (quickly improving the cash flow situation).

Logic tells us it cannot continue like this, but 60 years of history tells us that over the long haul it will have outstanding appreciation and rent growth.  I do not understand how it can continue!

do we have a house of cards about to come crashing down?   I have not purchased since Dec 2021 (purchased $4m that month) because I was being cautious and the cash flow is not there at these rates.  However, hindsight shows I would have done outstanding buying a year ago.  Am I being too cautious?   so far time has indicated I have been. It will require more time to know for sure.  

Take care 


 I knew I was in trouble when I saw an alert that you replied to a comment of mine, right after I complained about SD being hard to cash flow  :-)

But given I see no way someone paying $800k/unit could cash flow, how the heck can it go up in value?   At some point the value is going to be capped based on the rent that property can generate.  The income ability of a 700 sf 2 bed / 1 bath is already well below the $800k/unit price.   I mean how much rent can they possibly get?  $2,500?  

I bought a bunch of patio homes in the "Galleria Area" of Houston (nice area).  I paid $245k/each.  And they rent for about $2,300.   Meaning I assume those patio homes rent for as much as you could MAYBE get from a 700sf 2 bed apartment.  But each one of mine has $170k of debt and cost me about $75k down (vs $560k of debt and almost 1/4 million down *per unit*)


I'll admit, maybe I'm blind and just can't see it but...  I just can't see it. 

Post: Finding Cash Flow Properties!

Cody L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 3,802
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Quote from @Amara Berg:

If you are looking for just a return I would start by determining what return you would need. Think of your cash flow monthly and also how it relates to what you've invested (IE your cash on cash), as well as the cap rate. Each market is different. I'm in San Diego where the cap rates on Multi range from 3-5%. I read a report earlier on Fort Lauderdale that was published by Marcus and Millichap. They publish great information about what markets are thriving, emerging, declining, and so forth. They also do a good job of outlining the net absorption rates. Also, I would hire a good real estate agent to find you off-market deals. I wish you the best! Amara


 Funny you mention low San Diego caps.  Someone sent me a fourplex (FOURPLEX) that was $3.2m...  I think each unit was a 700sf 2/1.  How in the @#)$(* &  would someone cash flow with a 700sf unit when they're paying $800k   That's insane.

To put that in perspective, I just bought a beautiful historic property in the museum district of Houston.  A+ location (by our best parks, med center, museums, etc).  The units rent for about $900/month (should be $1000/month but whatever).   I paid $78k/unit.   They'll cash flow.  The property is great.  Tons of land value.  etc.   I just can't imagine buying at the prices being asked in San Diego.   Makes me wonder, like in the case of the fourplex I saw today -- who the F is paying that much (and why?)

Post: PM QUITING ON ME

Cody L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Diego, Ca
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Quote from @Julie Chai:
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Quote from @Theresa Harris:

You have someone lined up, let them do it.  The fact that your tenants had an airBNB operating out of the rental against the terms of the lease and your current PM didn't do anything doesn't say much.  When you found out, you should have told your PM to handle it-that is what you are paying them to do.  I can't imagine anything harder than a PM having the owner working with tenants and not keeping the PM in the loop. You've already been doing things for the eviction, I'd just keep doing it.

I've always kept my PM in the loop and had them communicate with the tenants for me the entire time.  I've never went behind them and try to talk to the tenant myself.  Maybe I didn't explain it right in my original post.... but bottom line, PM just wants their money and don't want to do the hard work. PM helped me with evictions before with tenants refusing to pay maintenance bill, but because this time they don't agree that tenant is breaking the lease, they won't help me this time. 

What would you do if in my position?  Lease agreements includes utilities with rent, tenants pay rent on time but using it as an STR, putting you in a negative every month, lease states "No Airbnb or VRBO"



 I don't understand what about the fact they're doing VRBO/airbnb causes you to be negative?

We have almost 100 units we lease to people who do airbnb.  We don't have a problem with it.  They pay rent better than most tenants, take care of small work requests (per agreement) and we hold a fat deposit in case of default. 

I'm at a negative because all utilities are included.  Plus, I'm missing a security deposit from one of the units, and they security amount is less than their rent.

Still confused. The security deposit size or missing has nothing to do with them doing STR. And I understand you might be negative because of high utility costs and having them baked into the rent -- but I'm not sure what them doing STR has to do with that?

I don't see why someone doing STR with their unit would have more utility bills?  I don't have a way to measure STR vs. LTR but given STR units are normally only occupied 50-75% (guess) of the time, it would seem they'd use less water?  Less AC?

I'd have kept them in and collected rent while I tried to work out this problem.  Now you have an empty (or soon to be) property, no management, litigation, and it's 1000's of miles away.  In a market that would make selling very difficult (esp empty).  

I hope you get this all worked out. 


In more simpler terms, guests from STR don't care about saving electricity or water because they're not paying for it.... same goes for hotel guests, right? LTR guests usually pay their own utilities so they are more prone to saving energy and water.


 Usually utilities are included or not based on the design of the property.  Almost all of my properties have a single water meter -- so we just bake it into rent (no way to individually submeter, and I don't feel like doing RUBS, I'd rather raise rent to accommodate it)

When it comes to electricity, it's either individually metered or it's not.  If it's individually metered, it should go in the tenants name.  If it's master metered, then -- like water -- just bake into rent (or try to RUBS)

But if this person was NOT doing STR, they still wouldn't be paying utils as that's not how their lease is. Thus back to my original question which is why do you think the fact they're doing STR means the utils (that they already don't have to pay for due to the lease) are going to be higher?

I'm not trying to argue here as you can do whatever you want with your property.  I'm just curious.  I have about 100 units leased to a handful of STR operators and I've found that it works quite well for me (vs. LTR tenants).  Less turn over.  They take care of small repairs.  They're more "stuck" to the property due to the sunk costs they've put in.   They pay a small premium.  The units are always kept up, etc. 

Post: PM QUITING ON ME

Cody L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 3,802
  • Votes 4,468
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Cody L.:
Quote from @Julie Chai:
Quote from @Theresa Harris:

You have someone lined up, let them do it.  The fact that your tenants had an airBNB operating out of the rental against the terms of the lease and your current PM didn't do anything doesn't say much.  When you found out, you should have told your PM to handle it-that is what you are paying them to do.  I can't imagine anything harder than a PM having the owner working with tenants and not keeping the PM in the loop. You've already been doing things for the eviction, I'd just keep doing it.

I've always kept my PM in the loop and had them communicate with the tenants for me the entire time.  I've never went behind them and try to talk to the tenant myself.  Maybe I didn't explain it right in my original post.... but bottom line, PM just wants their money and don't want to do the hard work. PM helped me with evictions before with tenants refusing to pay maintenance bill, but because this time they don't agree that tenant is breaking the lease, they won't help me this time. 

What would you do if in my position?  Lease agreements includes utilities with rent, tenants pay rent on time but using it as an STR, putting you in a negative every month, lease states "No Airbnb or VRBO"



 I don't understand what about the fact they're doing VRBO/airbnb causes you to be negative?

We have almost 100 units we lease to people who do airbnb.  We don't have a problem with it.  They pay rent better than most tenants, take care of small work requests (per agreement) and we hold a fat deposit in case of default. 

I'm at a negative because all utilities are included.  Plus, I'm missing a security deposit from one of the units, and they security amount is less than their rent.

Still confused. The security deposit size or missing has nothing to do with them doing STR. And I understand you might be negative because of high utility costs and having them baked into the rent -- but I'm not sure what them doing STR has to do with that?

I don't see why someone doing STR with their unit would have more utility bills?  I don't have a way to measure STR vs. LTR but given STR units are normally only occupied 50-75% (guess) of the time, it would seem they'd use less water?  Less AC?

I'd have kept them in and collected rent while I tried to work out this problem.  Now you have an empty (or soon to be) property, no management, litigation, and it's 1000's of miles away.  In a market that would make selling very difficult (esp empty).  

I hope you get this all worked out. 

Post: How to decide if a cash buyer is legit

Cody L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Diego, Ca
  • Posts 3,802
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Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Ismail Sogbaike:

I’m doing my first wholesale deal and I’m trying to decide if I can trust certain buyers, what are some things to watch out for.

First, I always ask if they are a wholesaler or a real estate agent. If they tell me they are an investor or cash buyer, I ask them for a pre-approval from a lender or they can provide their bank account statement, with their account number blanked out, along with the name of the bank and the banks phone number. 

It's a funny thing, people with money don't mind proving they can buy the property.

Disagree.  If someone I didn't know, that has no track record, just comes to me out of the blue claiming to have 'a deal' but can't tell me what or where, then says "Can you send me your bank statement?"  I'm going to laugh.  Even if my bank account number is removed (that's not very private anyway as it's on every check you write).

My actual bank account balance is no ones business.  If they wanted to see 'proof of funds' I'd send them to my website that shows $x in property purchased w/o any investors or would tell them to look up the top 5 brokers in the city and call them and ask them about me.

Post: Here's why I'm not a huge fan of wholesaler deals - here's the real truth!!!

Cody L.Posted
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  • San Diego, Ca
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I've bought about $300m in RE.  I've had 100's of "wholesale" deals sent to me.  not once have I bought from a wholeseller (in a scenario where they had a deal under contract and assgined it to me for my purchase price minus their purchase price as an assignment fee, or a double close)

What I have done is have wholeseller 'types' make a deal happen for a fee.  They've found someone looking to sell.  Made the intro.  Let me take it from there.  And got a commission on the way out.

The problem is the traditional wholeseller scenario requires a lot of opacity.  And secrecy.  Things are not just out in the open.  That doesn't seem to lend itself to a good transaction.  

Also doesn't help that 90% of the time the wholeseller has a deal under contract at a price on their end that's more than I'd pay right off the bat. 

Post: A Real-Estate Haven Turns Perilous With Roughly $1 Trillion Coming Due

Cody L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Diego, Ca
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Quote from @Raj Sid:

Any comments on this articles and what you all out there in multifamily investment seeing?


What I'm seeing:  People that over paid, because they were using other-peoples-money (and didn't seem to care about returns) are getting screwed.  Their proformas are not panning out.  Rents are not going up like they thought.  While insurance and property taxes are going up faster than anticipated. Add in additional costs for labor and materials, and difficultly in finding good 3rd party management, and it's a giant bust for most out of state buyers. 

They bought with low floating rates, using proforma NOI increases to save them, only to have rates shoot up and NOI go down.

Normally I'd feel bad about fellow investors losing their money but not this time.  So many of these people were able to outbid me because I had to worry about cash flow and buying at a price that made sense.  They did not.   So I'll be honest -- I was bitter and am a bit happy to see them get what the market forces should give them.

I'd ask myself "how are they possibly going to make money at that price?".  The answer is:  They're not.

I'm happy to pick up these deals from the foreclosing banks directly or at auction.

Post: Oct 16 - Houston, TX - Apartment Property Tour

Cody L.Posted
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  • San Diego, Ca
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Wait what?  So you're charging $50 to tour an apartment?  What am I missing here?   I'm not going to be in Houston at the time but you have me curious. 

Post: Any experience investing in Houston Tx?

Cody L.Posted
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I have a few units in Houston.  I give it two thumbs up.

Post: New Law for San Diego "Cash For Keys" for at-fault - 2 months rent?

Cody L.Posted
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  • San Diego, Ca
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Quote from @Mike Hsiao:

I spoke to an eviction attorney (referred by my Realtor whose client has used her).  She said that a new law in San Diego just passed where the landlord must offer at least 2 months rent for a "Cash for Keys" agreement now, even for at fault (non payment of rent) situations.   I could not find this law anywhere in my Google searching.   My attorney suggests getting the unlawful detainer paperwork going now instead.

Has anyone heard of this new law on Cash for Keys for at even at- fault (non-payment of rent) termination?  If so, what is the law/code so i can read it through. 

Crazy to me that the government has the power to dictate an agreement between two parties in regards to what one person has to offer the other in order to leave housing they're renting.

I'm not saying the law exists as OP described, but I could see a scenario where it is.  How do we keep allowing our government to keep growing and growing and control more and more of our lives?    If I were in government, each time something like this came up I'd ask where in the constitution are we authorized to make such a law?