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All Forum Posts by: Cole Baker

Cole Baker has started 8 posts and replied 56 times.

Post: Partnerships and Underwriting Deals

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Merry (Day After) Christmas Kijhan!

Why is it that you aren't investing in the Phoenix area? Given that is your current market? 


Second, building relationships with operators and using that 200k as earnest money for the GP is a way I have known first time operators "bring value" to an operator and existing GP in order to get % into a partnership. 

Post: Expense Valuation on 55+ unit

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As a point of reference, 47.5% is a great number to get OPex to. 47.5% is also a very common number to have as the stabilized number in underwriting for OPex. 82.8% is SUPER high. This is a big red flag and unless you have a straight forward way to dramatically decrease this expense ratio (and convince investors on your direction to decrease this), I would stay away. 

Post: What is the Zillow of Multi-Family homes?

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Hey Matt A, 

One option beyond what I am seeing in this post are the actual websites of the brokerages that are selling the properties. So find the brokerages in your area and take a dive onto their websites! I hope this helps on top of the other replies on this post! There is a lot of good stuff here. 

Post: Is starting with a 12-unit building unadvisable?

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Quote from @Shelby Regner:

I'm still a year or so away from making my first investment and will spend the next several months learning more... but it seems everyone want you to 'cut. your teeth' on a single-family/smaller number of units. Yet, it seems to me, that having more units will decrease your chances of having empty units. So let's say I have some time to read up and save up. Is this a bad idea because of the risk involved? If so, tell me more. If not, what should I read or study that will specifically help with a 12-unit upstairs and restaurant downstairs. ((Also, one of the buildings that's I'm interested in also has cell towers on the roof.))
P.S. Please be nice, I'm a total newb and genuinely want to spend my learning time well. Is my idea naive, too ambitious, or amazing?


A year time frame of learning and building the right relationships with your "real estate team" (a common phrase you will hear in the Multifamily (MF) media world that includes Property Managers, Construction team, Lenders, Investors, Brokers, etc. ) is a pretty common timeframe that you will hear to break into the MF space. So a great start with expectations there!! I wholeheartedly subscribe to the mindset that if I can underwrite a 15 unit deal , I can underwrite a 50 unit deal. And if I can underwrite a 50 unit deal, I can underwrite a 100 unit deal (and so on). I say this simply to communicate to you that you should determine a business plan (value-add [if you plan to start in a down cycle this is really the only way to go in my opinion], turn-key, etc.), pick a market, and determine what you want out of the investment (i.e. what's the purpose for you to be in multifamily real estate). This determines your buy box. Meaning unit count, value of the property, and your capacity to handle property management or construction or capital raising. Find partners to file the gap. Then execute. Simple right ;) ! Excited for you, Shelby!

Post: Betting on the Jockey – Choosing the Right Operator

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Familiarity

Track Record

Match Your Investment Goals

Actionable, concise and to the point! I love this!

Post: Is a 20-25% Crash in Multifamily Asset Values Realistic?

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Scott Trench:

I've been noodling on this for a few weeks, and the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to convince myself that large multifamily is one of, if not the most, riskiest asset classes in America right now. 

Here's my premise: 

Supply: According to Ivy Zelman, backlogs for new construction in multifamily are at the highest levels since the 1970s. She estimates 1.6M backlog units. Builders will complete this inventory, and they will monetize it. This will put downward pressure on rents, and asset values (upwards pressure on cap rates). 

Demand: We think rents are a coin flip in the next 12 months, and that a good forecast is zero rent growth. Vacancy is ticking up, as rents are falling in recent months in the multifamily space. If vacancy is already ticking up, and rents are declining, this kills the thesis for most multifamily value-add with fixed 2-5 year time horizons. 

Cap Rates and Interest Rates: Interest rates are higher than cap rates right now. That's really scary. It means that every dollar of debt that you take on in a no or low growth environment reduces returns AND increases risk. The only way you can justify making an investment in an environment like this is if you believe you can rapidly increase rents/NOI, or if for some reason you believe that cap rates will decline still further.

The market is essentially going all-in on rent and NOI growth in the next 12-18 months. Given the massive supply coming online in the next 12 months, and the question marks around rent growth, I think this is really hard for me to believe.

I think that if anything, interest rates are likely to continue rising quickly in the multifamily space, and that NOI has a very good chance of flatlining or remaining stagnant.

Timing and Credit Considerations: The debt market is already starting to tighten, and (I do not have data on this) I believe that most multifamily properties are financed with variable debt with a 5-year Weighted average Life (WAL) in the range of 60/40 to 70/30 debt to equity. I believe that this varies considerably across the industry, and that folks are in all sorts of different positions. But your typical syndicator will finance this way to maximize returns in a growth environment. This puts timing pressure on deals. If I'm right about the 5-year WAL hypothesis, then about 20% of the market that has financed their portfolios will need to refinance or exit in the next 12 months. The pressure will mount by another 20% in the following 12 months. 

Value-add: I can already hear some folks arguing that none of this matters if you can find an incredible deal, well below market, and add a ton of value to reposition the asset and increase rents. Fair enough, the value-added deal sponsor still has to consider the likely buyers at an exit. And that buyer will want a return. The end buyer is not likely to purchase a property with little value-add opportunity at a cap rate that is lower than interest rates - it's almost preposterous. 

How bad is it and when will it hit?

Massive supply, weakening demand, debt that is so expensive relative to cash flow that it dilutes returns in all but the most aggressive growth forecast scenarios, and a slowly tightening credit market. These are incredibly tough market headwinds. I don't think the question is whether cap rates and multifamily valuations will decline. The questions for me are how much will asset valuations decline by and when will it happen? 

First, I believe that multifamily valuations could decline by as much as 20-25%. Take a look at this chart: 

How Much will Cap Rates Rise? Cap rates typically hover about 150 bps higher than interest rates. Is it unreasonable to project that cap rates rise in the current environment from ~5% to 6.5%? That is a BIG deal if that happens. It means that a property that generates $500K in NOI drops from being worth $10M to being worth $7.7M. That's a 23% drop in valuation. If you are financed at 60/40 debt/equity, 58% of your equity is wiped out. At 70/30, that's 77% of the equity eliminated.

How Long will this take to come into effect? If you believe that this is a reasonable projection, then the next question is when. When will this rise in cap rates happen? My guess is that the change will be a process, and not an event. I don't see cap rates rising 150 bps overnight. I think it will be a slow ramp over the next 12-18 months as more and more supply comes online, and more and more folks are forced to exit. 

Bias in the market? The syndicator pitching an investment deal is perhaps a fine, but definitely a biased, source of information on the market, deal, and opportunities. Remember that syndicators make money in multiple ways on a deal. First, they often charge an acquisition fee - they make money just by buying large investments. A gimme. Second, they typically charge management fees - often a few percentage points of the equity investment in the deal. Third, they often get carried interests - or a percentage of the profits, if any, in the deal. Many syndicators invest nothing or very tiny percentages of their net worth in individual deals. There is no incentive, other than reputation (which I hope is very powerful), to do anything other than raise as much money as possible, and buy as much real estate as possible. If valuations keep climbing, GREAT! HUGE profits via these fees and carried interest. If valuations decline, "Oh well!" - they get acquisition and management fees, and get little/no carried interest. It's their investors who actually have large amounts of capital at risk. 

I'd have a very hard time ESPECIALLY with investing through a syndicator who was not investing a material portion of their net worth in their deals at this point in the market. 

What should I do to make money?

- If you have money in current syndications, pray. 

If you are considering investing in a syndication, make sure it is a huge winner even in a no rent growth environment, and one where cap rates rise at least 150 bps. 

- Consider getting on the debt side, via a debt fund or private lending - the interest rates are higher than the cap rates! Might mean better returns with lower risk.

- Consider investing in a syndication that uses no leverage at all - as this might yield higher cash flows, and come with less risk - if there is a low growth or no growth environment, it will also yield better returns.

This is a super bold post. I'd appreciate any feedback here before I post these thoughts to the main blog and/or state these forecasts any podcasts! 

I'd especially like to know about any mitigating factors - what would soften any price declines in this market?

 It is good to see BP posting about some of the realities of what is coming down the pipe in real estate as there are a lot of newer investors on this platform only listening to one side.

I agree with a lot of what you say. Also I saw a post from Jonathan Twombly on Linkedin that noted 

"1,457 Multifamily Properties Currently Barely At or Below DSCR Requirements - and What This Means for You

Today it was reported that real estate data provider Trepp has 1,457 multifamily properties in its database that currently do not meet or barely meet the 1.25x DSCR requirement on their loans. That translates into $18.6 billion of debt, and assuming 75% LYV, translates into $23.25 billion of MF property.

What does this mean for you?

It means that bargains are on the way, especially for properties with maturing bridge debt, where the sponsors underwrote an refinancing into permanent debt at pre-2022 interest rates.

The potential is way larger than the mere 1,457 properties identified by Trepp. Some $1 trillion of real estate loans will mature in the 2023 and 2024 across all flavors of commercial real estate, and a substantial amount of this will be in MF. These properties will need to refinance in a much higher interest rate and cap-rate environment than existed when they obtained their original debt.

"Extend and pretend" won't work as well as the last crisis, because interest rates are rising, not falling as they were in the aftermath of the Great Financial Crisis. And many lenders won't want to work with sponsors who did not perform, so many of these sponsors will be forced to sell if they cannot refinance.

This means that, for strong and experienced sponsors, who are not tainted by forced sales or foreclosures, there will be more opportunity to purchase MF at attractive prices than we have seen in a very long time"


I agree with you about syndications, as I am already hearing from some of our investors that they are having cash calls and cannot exit their syndication.

People may want to consider funds vs. syndications. Reminder a fund invests in multiple assets not just one, and funds are not strictly multifamily there are debt funds that take on no leverage (cough cough). As noted the returns may not be as exciting as what some SAY they were getting with MF in the past, but in todays market risk aversion is real and people who have not been through a downturn will understand how risk plays out in real estate when you have limited exit options. 


 That is incredibly insightful! Thank you for sharing this! 

Post: Coffee and Real Estate - Englewood Meetup

Cole BakerPosted
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Quote from @Dan Mackin:

Time for the early birds to have a meetup! Some of you remember and enjoyed our Chaffee Park friday morning meetups. Now we want to bring those back at venues for those who can't make the evening meetups. Come grab a coffee or bring your own and network on your way to work or before the family wakes up.
If we fill the spot up we'll move outside, like in the old days. Shoutout to the people that came rain shine or snow (literally) in the past, we're excited to have you back and welcome to new faces.


 Hey Dan! I love this time, but I will be out of town that day! Will you continue this time and meet-up next year!

Post: advice for starting a syndication

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

I would like to see a statistic of how many experienced GP’s running a syndication hire someone off the street with no experience knowing they are doing it to go on their own if their is no pre existing relationship because of how bad they want it?

Maybe that person comes in but they are not going to be doing the tasks that are going to get the needle moving unless they have some type of education or experience

Running a syndication is running a $50M + company. If I were to invest in a GP and on the org chart were people with no experience that is an absolute no go. Also experienced GP’s don’t have the time to “train” someone who is not a long term solution.

The “how bad do you want it “is a great headline” but not everyone is cut out to do certain things.


I mean you are completely right! Most people off the street aren't. I couldn't agree more. The stats suck for anyone trying to be successful in any industry. But I know people personally who have been compensated with equity in a deal for connecting individuals with deals with capital. and Vice Versa. It's not that it is easy, not at all, but it is possible. 

Post: I have 500k to invest in Multi Family....

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Quote from @Michael Figueroa:

500K should give me about 2.5 Million in real estate. Where should I be looking? I live in California, and 2.5 Million doesn't go very far here. Also any general advice from experience you can lend me so I don't make your mistakes. Wish me luck! 


Look at a map, throw a dart, and see where it lands. Then start interviewing experienced syndicators (operators) in that area. Choose experience and success. And watch that $500,000 turn into $1,000,000. The area largely is a moot point if you know the right operator. This is of course an exaggeration, but the right people (and the right deal) cover over a multitude of sins. 

Post: advice for starting a syndication

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jason Thompson

My advice is You should not start syndicating until you have significant experience. You will need $20k in startup costs plus you should invest atleast $50k in your syndication and have a track record to show investors what you have for experience


With all due respect Chris, this is where partnering with someone who is experienced can pay dividends (literally). Find a reputable mastermind group, go to meet ups and connect with experienced operators. Network your butt off and create value for someone, whether that is connecting someone with a deal to someone with capital, or connecting someone with capital to someone with a deal, becoming a general partner with someone where your specific skillset can help them (investor relations maybe?). I am sure there are many other things that can be added to this list. Bottomline, if you want it enough, you will figure it out. You will be surprised where plain ole grit will take you.