All Forum Posts by: Wayne Snell

 Mike thanks. No it is not even showing on the title report. I'm not exactly sure what the O&E company needed to do to "find" it, but I will definitely remind them going forward to look deeper!

Yes you are correct Wayne. It's one of the Century Village condos :) Glad to hear the HOA/COA super liens aren't happening. That would be terrible and cause a lot more harm than good IMO

 Wow that is good to know Carey! I wasn't aware of that. While I have not yet purchased anything in MS, I do regularly see assets there so it is good information!

Hi Andreas, I'm no expert on Land Lease Super liens by any stretch, but here is what my attorney told me. Land leases were an old way for condo developers 9at least in FL0 to quickly put up buildings without a huge capital outlay. They leased the land instead of buying it, and just financed the building. then as they sold individual condos, the buyer (in my case the borrower of the note I wanted to purchase) paid a monthly "lease" as part of the HOA fees, which was then passed through to pay the lease.

You are correct that the heirs stopped paying anything - lease, HOA or mortgage. The land lease lien is now available for foreclosure, although the property manager has not yet filed to do so. They told me that they would not accept a settlement, and would be filing a FC as soon as the unit goes to Tax Sale (effectively wiping us all out). I guess they want the unit, which is why I had to bail on the deal. Since it is a "Super Lien" they would take priority over my 1st position mortgage lien (one of the few that do - the other is the property tax lien holder). I've been hearing that in some states and Florida counties HOAs are now also getting super lien status, but I am not familiar with which yet - that might be something I research for another post.

I purchase non-performing 1st position notes. Like most notes investors I am used to seeing a lot of odd things during due diligence that can make or break a profitable deal. While my goal is to attempt to work with the borrower whenever possible to produce a win-win outcome (they stay in the home and begin repaying, and I earn a tidy profit for them doing so), in reality this only occurs for around 1/3rd of the deals I do. This is the story of a recent deal that looked like it was going to return a very strong profit for my joint venture partner and me in a relatively short timeframe. Boy was I wrong!

I found a non-performing 1st on a nice Florida condo in Boca Raton. The borrower was deceased, and the heirs elected not to remain current on the mortgage to the tune of 3+ years and counting. There were delinquent taxes and HOA fees outstanding. Simple stuff. After accepting the seller's counter-offer, I had a tentative agreement to purchase the note, satisfy the outstanding taxes, pay the back HOA fees (up to the 1% Florida Safe Harbor maximum) and foreclose on the property. All in, the estimated costs from acquisition of the note to foreclosure to either sold or rented would have been approximately $19,600. The rental comps for the complex and immediate area are strong, and the deal looked like a slam dunk.

Enter the $85.00. Since the seller had been slow to produce the electronic copies of the loan docs I decided to get in front of the curve and ordered a "full title" O&E report from a reputable vendor.

It turns out that full title O&E reports can miss a few things because it seems that not all liens need to be recorded. It wasn't the vendor's fault. Who knew?

As is typically the case, once I receive the electronic copies of the loan docs I send them off to a document review company where they look at the assignment chain to make sure all are recorded correctly, as well as review the title report AND the O&E. We were missing a few assignments, but again, nothing terrible. Here is where the fun started.

I called the county tax authorities and got the scoop on the delinquent taxes. Easy to pay them off. CHECK. Spoke with the HOA attorney to offer a settlement as they know if I foreclose I can simply wipe out their position as a subordinate lien. CHECK.

But wait. As we concluded the dance to get to a payoff number, the HOA attorney casually mentioned that "it really doesn't matter, because the land lease lien will wipe you (ME!) out anyway, so we both lose." WHOA! What?

I wasn't familiar with a land lease lien. And there couldn't be one on this particular property anyway, because the O&E report didn't show any such thing. Except there was. I called an attorney friend of mine who explained what the heck a land lease was in the first place. He told me that land lease liens are rare (mostly found in FL and CA) but are considered Super Liens when they do exist - and that I should run like heck away from this note investment. But I wasn't convinced yet. The deal just simply looked to good - with projected returns north of 30% annualized for my JV partner and me.

Next I called the document review company and asked about the impact of a land lease lien and why they didn't see it during their preliminary doc review. They didn't know the answers to those questions. So then I called the company that produced the original O&E report. As part of their fee they guarantee to rerun the report if I ever have a question about any information on there. In this case, I explained the issue, so they ran a "100 year" title search. And voila! There it was. Clear as day. To make this long story short, we decided not to pursue the asset, saving the $19,600 that we would have surely lost to the Super Lien foreclosure.

Moral of the story, due diligence is a critical part of note investing. O&Es are an important step in the review process, but they are not perfect! Be sure to call everyone involved and try to get the back story from each. If that attorney had not tossed out the Land Lease Lien comment, we would have had a very different outcome. While I wasn't pleased to have to make the call to my joint venture partner telling them we passed on the note, we both know this could have gone terribly wrong. Our money is safe and already deployed on another Note that will produce similar returns. What about you? Have you had any unusual issues like this one that you are willing to share with the group? We all benefit by hearing them as it can only help our due diligence efforts.

Sites like FCI and Watermark are only as good as the data try receive from the sellers. Both are a sort of consignment store for note sellers. I have personally purchased non-performing notes through both successfully- the key is to remember that you must do your own due diligence on any note you are considering before taking possession. In FCI's case they are also a servicer so I would look for notes where they have the pay history and you can easily see it via that button. The same would hold true for performing notes. Watermark gets pools of notes from banks and makes them available for individual purchase so you don't necessarily need a lot of capital to get started in this business. But oftentimes they are provided incomplete information on the notes they offer. When you find a few notes you are interested in possibly buying order an O&E report to see what outstanding liens are against the property and request a pay history before paying. If they cannot produce it then you need to weigh the risk versus reward. In my situation I'm only buying non-performing notes so I am paying  less for the notes but accepting a higher, but manageable risk for doings so. Good luck!