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All Forum Posts by: Damien Lee

Damien Lee has started 9 posts and replied 25 times.

Post: Midtown Deal Analysis

Damien LeePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 23

Hi all,

I've just recently started looking into real estate investing and wanted to go ahead and start posting the deals I analyze daily. I’m currently not looking to buy this home (you’ll see why if you read) but I am looking to improve my deal analysis skills!

If anybody wants to make an offer on the analyses I make now and in the future, please free to do so, but give me updates on how it went! By no means do you have to but I'd love to know what price you got it for, and how you were able to negotiate the price for whatever return it is that you got! Otherwise, it's just a free deal analysis for people to take a look at and point out any mistakes I may have made.

I’ll (try to) be posting every weekday! *Overview at the bottom*

Deal Analysis

This is my first deal analysis so I’m sure there’s a lot of things I didn’t take into account, if you notice anything I could do differently please let me know.

The deal I’m looking at right now is actually currently pending, but here is the address if anyone wants to look it up on Zillow. 244 13th St NE APT 217, Atlanta, GA 30309

Pricing

It’s a condo currently listed for $375,000 but condos in the same area sold for at most $350K so I’d put it’s actual home value at $340-350k. On the higher end because it looks like the renovations here are catered more towards a trendy modern style.

Listing Price: $375,000

Estimate HV: $350,000

Rent

The condo itself is a 2Bd/3bth (2 full baths and 1 half bath). It’s two stories with bedrooms on the second floor, large living room, kitchen, and half bathroom + laundry room on the first floor. Around 1300 SqFt, right next to Piedmont Park (which is great for the active folks!)

I’ve talked to a few of my friends and most of them said that they’d be perfectly happy paying about $1000-1100 a month but most of them are college students/recent grads. Based on the apartment I’m living in right now, the rent I’m paying, and the amenities I get for what I’m paying, if I were to look at that property as somewhere I myself would want to find rent in, I’d be willing to pay $1100 at most. This is a 2Bd/3Bth home with no master bedroom. I don’t expect rent prices to be increasing too much soon since I’ve heard of a lot of development occurring near GT housing and ITP in general. There’s been quite a lot of construction happening in Atlanta for the past few years.

Has the following Amenities:

Swimming pool

Parking + Gated community

Small gym

Rent Estimates: $2000-2200/month (both rooms)

Rent appreciation estimate: 2% a year? (I’m not sure about how to calculate this)

Location

In terms of location I’d say it’s an B+ to A class neighborhood as it’s right next to piedmont park and a very short walk to the Marta Station. This leads me to speculate that in the far future when Atlanta becomes the big city I think it’ll be, this Condo will probably be worth a lot more in the future, so this is actually an ideal unit for a long term buy and hold (if you have other cashflow to deal with the expenses).

Expenses

I’m just going to post a picture of the spreadsheet I used for this.

Operating Expenses + CapEx Assumptions

The three main expenses here are the HOA fees, Property management fees for when expansion occurs, and taxes. Taxes are actually a huge expense most likely due to how high the housing prices in Midtown Atlanta have become. This leads to the actual returns of this property

Returns

If we bought the house for the asking price and put a down payment of 20%, then our monthly cashflow would actually be negative and our CoCROI is -3.25%. In terms of a rental property this is a pretty bad deal. In order to get a CoCROI of 10% you would need to buy the property for $167,221 which is less than half the asking price of the seller.

Closing costs are pretty high since I’ve read that closing costs for legal documents getting signed are somewhere around 3% of the home value and then lately, it is no longer custom for the seller to pay for the buyer’s REA fee, which adds another 3% to the closing cost. This would mean you would need to pay $97,500 Cash just for this negative return.

To at least break even on the expenses you would need to pay $294,062.96 which is 80% of the asking price.

To make at least some cashflow ($200/month) you would need to pay $232,824.65 which is around 60% of the asking price, which I highly doubt the seller would agree to.

Due to the expenses and the HOA fee, this property looks to be a pretty bad investment without completely slashing the prices of the home, which the seller is unlikely to do.

Deal Overview

Listing Price: $375,000

Home Value: $350,000

Assumptions

30 year mortgage

2.75% interest rate

20% down (no PMI)

Purchase Price for

10% CoCROI: $167,221

Break Even: $294,062.96

$200 Monthly Cashflow: $232,824.65

Rent: $2200/month

Location: B+ to A

House: B+ to A

Operating Expenses: $1,239.61

As is, the numbers to make this deal work are pretty improbable and while this would be great to buy and hold it just doesn’t look like it’d be worth it. At least not to me. If anybody has any feedback on the deal analysis, or what I could do better/differently, please let me know!

Thanks,

Damien

Post: New Member from Atlanta GA

Damien LeePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 23

Hi all, thank you for the warm welcome and sorry for the late reply! I'm still trying to get used to BP and haven't figured out email notifications yet. 

@Brenden Mitchum Thank you for your advice! I understand that the goals I have are massive and also know not to be discouraged by the goals I've set. But I've decided to aim high and adjust as necessary. You are correct that I'm referring to residential and commercial properties, but I don't plan on looking at commercial MF until at least 3 years of learning the ropes with real estate investing. Although that may change depending on how comfortable and successful I become with the goals I've set for myself.

I especially appreciate what you mentioned on analyzing deals out of state. I was hesitant on analyzing deals in a different market due to the time that it would take for me to learn about comparable rent prices but now I just realize that's silly since it's something I need to do anyways. I'll stick to my plan of starting off with analyzing deals in Atlanta for now and move on to a different market when I feel ready, or 2 weeks pass. Plus if posting those deal analyses helps out another investor then even better! It also helps that my lease will be ending soon so I'm also looking for a house hack that would work as a rental after leaving but most of the properties ITP have HOA rent restrictions and don't cashflow well. Besides that, it would be a great idea to look out of state and practice finding deals + eventually find one. Could you clarify what you mean by MSA?

@Tony Angelos Thank you for the insight! Do you know if there's one specifically for practice? I don't want to clutter the forum with deals I'm not serious about and waste somebody's time without them realizing I'm posting for practice/someone to try and pull off that offer if they wanted to try.

Again, thank you both for all the amazing advice!

Post: New Member from Atlanta GA

Damien LeePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 23

Hi all! Thank you for the warm welcome! It seems I'm not getting notifications from BP so I'll figure that out, sorry for the delay, haha. @Marc Brenner

@Marc Brenner I'd be happy to grab a coffee sometime, as of right now I'm currently analyzing the market ITP of Atlanta GA as practice. I realize that for Cashflowing rentals and BRRRRs it'd probably be a smarter move to look OTP or somewhere near Duluth or Doraville but for now I'm just trying to get an understanding of what exactly it looks like to analyze a deal and see if I'm doing it correctly. Because I live in Midtown it's just the market I know best and thus the one I'll be practicing in, and if I find a great deal then I'd be happy to jump on it!

@Ivy Sanmiguel I actually am looking to invest out of state as my main source of rentals. I've just yet to determine which market would be best. I know ultimately I want to be using multifamily homes for the rental cashflow and SFH for BRRRRs and appreciation. I'd be happy to chat more about any insights you have in marketplaces that would be able to match the ROI % I'm looking for!

Post: New Member from Atlanta GA

Damien LeePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 23

Hello everyone! 

*TLDR at bottom*

Intro

My name is Damien and I’m excited to have recently joined the BiggerPockets Community! I’ve just recently been introduced to real estate investing and Bigger pockets by a friend so I’m very new. I’ve decided to educate myself with the real estate books here and follow Brandon’s advice on analyzing 1 deal a day. Ultimately I plan on investing in RE using mainly rentals and the occasional BRRRRs (if I can find them) to become financially independent and transition to a job I have more passion for. 

Plan for BP

Since I’m just starting off I’m going to try analyzing deals in a market that I know well (Midtown Atlanta, GA) and post it in the BP community! (If anyone knows if there’s a place for something like that please let me know). Midtown is pretty awful in terms of cashflow opportunities so to counteract that and get better at deal analysis, I’m going to analyze the deal with the current asking price and then counter offer with a deal that would make sense for my goals. I’ll include all of my assumptions and the reasonings for why I’ve priced things as I have. My hope is that anyone interested in Midtown or just helping a newbie out will come check and point out any mistakes I made or anything I might have overlooked. 

Eventually, I'll start analyzing deals in a location that's more viable for cashflow. I also want to give back to the community (who hopefully helped me improve my deals) by analyzing one deal for a random person a week and also helping out newbie investors like myself. But until then, I’ll just be here trying to improve my skills and network. Once I’m confident in my deal analysis I want to find people to partner with me and invest in multi-families in another state that offers better opportunities. 

My REI Plan

My overall plan is to start off focusing on rental properties, specifically single family homes and then shift my focus towards multifamily homes. The first single family home will be to get used to property management as well as ease into being a real estate investor, and from there then it's full speed ahead! Each rental property will be aiming for at least a $200 monthly net cash flow per unit or a 10% ROI. BRRRRs will just need to net cashflow of at least $50 a month since they're more about building equity with low and no money down. I plan on using mostly low and no money down tactics from PML/HML/Family and friends or partners.

Yearly plan

Year 1: Buy at least 1 property, get used to it, and aim to have 4 by the end of this year. Main focus will be multifamilies

Year 2: My second year will be about maintaining and getting used to REI while I plan to get at least 4 more properties.

Year 3: Optimize my process and buy at least 10 more properties

Year 4: Fully optimized and ready to go, buy at least 24 units (2/month).

Year 5: Continue to optimize and buy as much as possible

Let me know what you guys think of my plan and if you have any advice! Of course this is just a rough outline as plans are liable to change :) I’m excited to meet everyone and get started on my real estate journey!

TL;DR

  • - Completely new investor from Midtown, Atlanta, GA
  • - Want to invest in Rental properties and the occasional BRRRRS
  • - Will analyze and post 1 deal a day on the BP community
    • Analysis will include all assumptions, ROI on asking price and what the purchase price would need to be to be a good deal
  • - Goal is to become FI off rental income and transition into a different career
  • - Looking for someone to partner with to invest in Multifamily homes in a location that makes sense (for me)

If anyone knows where I can post practice deal analyses for feedback please let me know!

Yearly plan

Year 1: Buy at least 1 property, get used to it, and aim to have 4 by the end of this year. Main focus will be multifamilies

Year 2: My second year will be about maintaining and getting used to REI while I plan to get at least 4 more properties.

Year 3: Optimize my process and buy at least 10 more properties

Year 4: Fully optimized and ready to go, buy at least 24 units (2/month).

Year 5: Continue to optimize and buy as much as possible

Use HML/PML/Partners to fund purchases.

Post: New Member from Atlanta GA

Damien LeePosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 23

Hello everyone! 

*TLDR at bottom*

Intro

My name is Damien and I’m excited to have recently joined the BiggerPockets Community! I’ve just recently been introduced to real estate investing and Bigger pockets by a friend so I’m very new. I’ve decided to educate myself with the real estate books here and follow Brandon’s advice on analyzing 1 deal a day. Ultimately I plan on investing in RE using mainly rentals and the occasional BRRRRs (if I can find them) to become financially independent and transition to a job I have more passion for. 

Plan for BP

Since I’m just starting off I’m going to try analyzing deals in a market that I know well (Midtown Atlanta, GA) and post it in the BP community! (If anyone knows if there’s a place for something like that please let me know). Midtown is pretty awful in terms of cashflow opportunities so to counteract that and get better at deal analysis, I’m going to analyze the deal with the current asking price and then counter offer with a deal that would make sense for my goals. I’ll include all of my assumptions and the reasonings for why I’ve priced things as I have. My hope is that anyone interested in Midtown or just helping a newbie out will come check and point out any mistakes I made or anything I might have overlooked. 

Eventually, I'll start analyzing deals in a location that's more viable for cashflow. I also want to give back to the community (who hopefully helped me improve my deals) by analyzing one deal for a random person a week and also helping out newbie investors like myself. But until then, I’ll just be here trying to improve my skills and network. Once I’m confident in my deal analysis I want to find people to partner with me and invest in multi-families in another state that offers better opportunities. 

My REI Plan

My overall plan is to start off focusing on rental properties, specifically single family homes and then shift my focus towards multifamily homes. The first single family home will be to get used to property management as well as ease into being a real estate investor, and from there then it's full speed ahead! Each rental property will be aiming for at least a $200 monthly net cash flow per unit or a 10% ROI. BRRRRs will just need to net cashflow of at least $50 a month since they're more about building equity with low and no money down. I plan on using mostly low and no money down tactics from PML/HML/Family and friends or partners.

Yearly plan

Year 1: Buy at least 1 property, get used to it, and aim to have 4 by the end of this year. Main focus will be multifamilies

Year 2: My second year will be about maintaining and getting used to REI while I plan to get at least 4 more properties.

Year 3: Optimize my process and buy at least 10 more properties

Year 4: Fully optimized and ready to go, buy at least 24 units (2/month).

Year 5: Continue to optimize and buy as much as possible

Let me know what you guys think of my plan and if you have any advice! Of course this is just a rough outline as plans are liable to change :) I’m excited to meet everyone and get started on my real estate journey!

TL;DR

  • - Completely new investor from Midtown, Atlanta, GA
  • - Want to invest in Rental properties and the occasional BRRRRS
  • - Will analyze and post 1 deal a day on the BP community
    • Analysis will include all assumptions, ROI on asking price and what the purchase price would need to be to be a good deal
  • - Goal is to become FI off rental income and transition into a different career
  • - Looking for someone to partner with to invest in Multifamily homes in a location that makes sense (for me)

If anyone knows where I can post practice deal analyses for feedback please let me know!

Yearly plan

Year 1: Buy at least 1 property, get used to it, and aim to have 4 by the end of this year. Main focus will be multifamilies

Year 2: My second year will be about maintaining and getting used to REI while I plan to get at least 4 more properties.

Year 3: Optimize my process and buy at least 10 more properties

Year 4: Fully optimized and ready to go, buy at least 24 units (2/month).

Year 5: Continue to optimize and buy as much as possible

Use HML/PML/Partners to fund purchases.