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All Forum Posts by: Daniel Young

Daniel Young has started 2 posts and replied 5 times.

Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Daniel Young have you looked into FHA 203(k) rehab loan?

Allows you to roll renovation costs into the purchase mortgage.

FNMA has a similar program.

Otherwise, why can't you use a credit card(s) or get a personal line of credit?

My credit is very good right now and after all the answers it seems that this is my best option. I am wondering what is the best structure or rates for a credit card. I have two secured credit cards right now that I used to build my credit but they both have a $500 limit. I would need a higher limit. Do you have any suggestions? 

I believe you may have misinterpreted what I was saying, this will be my primary residence and the house is under my name, not an llc. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused. I will be living in it while I remodel. I am looking for a way to fund the remodel while I live in it! Hope this helps!(: 

Quote from @Alex Breshears:

Hi Daniel!

This is going to be a bit tricky from a lending perspective. If this will be a live in flip, that means it will be your primary residence, and DSCR and hard money lenders will not lend on a property that will be your primary residence. The regulations for owner occupied property are federally regulated, including required licensing and disclosures. Non-owner occupied property will be regulated by each individual state. This is such an important detail that lenders can have in their loan docs that if you move in, the loan will be in default. So I will caution you on telling people it is investment property and then moving into it. That is only going to cause more problems than it solves.

You mentioned downpayment and closing costs, what loan programs are you considering. You could potentially do an FHA loan for a property, put down 3.5%, and then do the work as needed on the property while you live there. This has the advantage of being a primary residence with little out of pocket and a 30 year fixed rate loan. If you go to sell the property in a few years, the capital you get out of that transaction should be tax free since it was your primary residence. This would not be the case if it were investment property unless you decided to start a 1031 transaction.

Private money lenders also are equally not likely to lend on a primary residence. Also private lenders are not likely to loan money for the downpayment and rehab costs, as that situation is very problematic for the lender. 

I just want to explain from a lender's standpoint why this might be above a lender's risk tolerance, so you can possibly find another alternative. First, when borrowing funds for the downpayment, that means the property is 100% completely leveraged. As the person providing that 2nd lien against the property, if that property loses value for ANY reason (and not all of them you control) that means my loan is automatically underwater being in the 2nd lien behind your financing to acquire the property. If the property values in your market soften, if the tenant moves in and destroys it, fire, earthquakes, floods, hail, hurricane, another lock down requires you to keep a non-paying tenant - honestly anything - and my position in the property is at jeopardy. I'm not saying no one will do this type of loan, but I'm explain why looking at it from a lender's risk perspective could help you look for another alternative.

Another reason, other than being over leveraged, is that a borrower that is not well positioned with capital is also at a much higher risk of default. If a borrower stops paying on that first mortgage, and then the lender goes to foreclose, any equity that might have been had in the property is now gone because default interest, late payment penalties, legal fees, etc will eat up anything left after the principal balance of that first lien is paid. As the 2nd lien holder, again, I'm wiped out entirely. So again not a good place to be. If you close on the property and then discover the roof is leaking, the main sewer line is nothing but tree roots, really any major expense, that can easily put a borrower in a position where they do not have enough actual cash to solve the problem, so the property loses value due to deferred maintenance, or the borrower digs themselves into more debt, making it even harder to get another loan to cash me out of the equation at that upper 20% of equity.

Now what can possibly be done, with the properties you already own. If you have equity in the properties that are getting ready to sell, you could find a private lender that will do a 2nd lien on those, again as long as the equity is there. So for example if you are pretty far along in one rehab, and you have about 50% LTV with your current financing, you could potentially find a lender that will do a 25% LTV second, so your total LTV isn't above 75%. The 2nd lien holder position has a few considerations that need to be in place, such as it can't be a hard money lender, there can't be a large pre-payment penalty, it has to be current, etc. These types of loans I have seen done, and I've personally done a few in my chosen market.

I hope that helps!


 This is very helpful! Thank you for your response(: I am already working with a lender and this is my first property. SO unfortunately I cannot pull out from equity elsewhere. I am basically looking for a loan against this current home. With the attempt to pay is back overtime and once it sells. Something closer to a ballon payment. 

Hello BiggerPockets family! I hope all is well in your investing journey! I am officially under contract on my first property that will become my first investment. I am going to BRRR/Live-in Flip/House hack this property. I know it sounds like a lot but I have a plan underway. I am a licensed contractor in the state of Michigan so remodels and rehabs are my strong suit. Now, enough about me and more about the property. Single family home under contract for 190k ARV is around 250-260K. This is a conservative estimate. The property will need apx. 20k to rehab. Here is my dilemma after down payment and closing costs I will not have the funds to rehab the property. I have the know-how and expertise to do most of the rehabs myself, as they are mostly cosmetic. As well as the ability to contract out work under my own license.

My question: What is the best way to raise the funds for this rehab? Understanding that this is more of a live-in flip than a standard flip?

Ideas? Thank You !

Hello BiggerPockets family! I hope all is well in your investing journey! I am officially under contract on my first property that will become my first investment. I am going to BRRR/Live-in Flip/House hack this property. I know it sounds like a lot but I have a plan underway. I am a licensed contractor in the state of Michigan so remodels and rehabs are my strong suit. Now, enough about me and more about the property. Single family home under contract for 190k ARV is around 250-260K. This is a conservative estimate. The property will need apx. 20k to rehab. Here is my dilemma after down payment and closing costs I will not have the funds to rehab the property. I have the know-how and expertise to do most of the rehabs myself, as they are mostly cosmetic. As well as the ability to contract out work under my own license.

My question: What is the best way to raise the funds for this rehab? Understanding that this is more of a live-in flip than a standard flip? 

Ideas? Thank You !