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All Forum Posts by: Dan T.

Dan T. has started 4 posts and replied 70 times.

Originally posted by @Jer Yeung:
Originally posted by @AJ Singh:

@Dan T.

you have had great advice on all aspects of OOS turnkey investing. i will add one more. 

Be prepared to scale to multiple properties. one property will eat up your annual trip to memphis. dont think you can do remote asset management sitting from anaheim. 

also you can invest in inland empire with similiar numbers. i am not sure why you are not casting your net locally. As @Caleb Heimsoth and @Account Closed mentioned, the memphis market was undervalued four yeas ago but is now very strong. Any killer deals are all cash nowadays with seven day close!! 

Best of Luck!

Doors are what you want with this. Trips are one thing, but doors are what actually gets you towards more useful / usable numbers. If you only have one door and you have a vacancy, you are at 100% vacancy. If you have ten and you have one vacancy, you are at 10%... REI Nation is at something like a 2 or 3% vacancy across 6000+ properties right now - which is great, but will never be realized if you only have a single door, so 110+%, find a way to scale!

As for investing in the IE... CA is not a landlord friendly state, whereas REI Nation not only is in landlord friendly states, they manage all the BS if and when it happens, which is great. They don't have Newsom out there saying that rent isn't due, or no evictions for however many months...!


I'm a big fan of what they're doing over there. I have a few properties myself. It's sometimes tough reading BP because many people here are IN real estate, so of course, there are going to be ways to do things differently or get better ROI. It sounds like the OP (similar to me) is not in the business of real estate, but rather have other things that preoccupy our time from an income perspective, and thus passive investments are attractive. There are many, many reasons to buy into what they are doing beyond just the numbers...!

I appreciate you chiming in as you hit the nail on the head, as far as I am concerned. I am not a real estate pro - in fact, i want to be as uninvolved as i can be. REI nailed it... I am now closing on my second property - this one in Yukon, OK.

Even through all this COVID crap, my tenants are paying (and prepaying a month in advance) and i'm getting contacted by my account rep at REI to check in and see if I need anything as all is well on their front.

As for CA, don't get me started... That's the main reason i didn't keep my old house and rent it when i jumped to my new house. This state sucks when it comes to landlord vs. tenant rights. I have personally heard it from several people i know that invest here. I am involved in a few syndications locally but again, those are hands-off and the risk is mitigated by the size of the complexes in which I invest. That said, they've even collected 90% during these times when their benchmark is 95%.

@Anthony Nguyen

Agreed, whole staff has been amazing and continue to be!

Property officially closed today; renters moved in 3/6 - we're officially in business!

@TJ P.

As of now, I'm focused on this property. My focus is my career. My choice was invest in the stock market or real estate; after a ton of research, here I am. In the long run, I hope to have a portfolio that size. Who knows, I may change from SFR to small apartments after my first few. Nothing is yet set in stone.

Originally posted by @Deborah Burian:

Not in Oklahoma City but I personally know of a deal where the buyer went $30,000 over appraisal because of a lack of inventory in that market. We have a lack of affordable inventory here in OKC right now. Will there be another bust? Market cycles tell us yes, there always is, so if you’re over-paying now, you better be prepared to hang on later.

I am paying $100 under the appraised value, not $30K over. I would never make up that difference on a single family home in this price range. That said, i am investing with money i can afford to keep invested - I'm under no illusion that this will pay off as a short-term investment. My hope is I can get a BUNCH of these houses (15-20), pay them off as quickly as I can and use that as my retirement passing them to my kids. Should i need to liquidate short term, buying these higher-end properties should allow me to minimize realized loss. 

All is in line to close on March 6th. My 3rd party home inspection found a couple items that were addressed (all minuscule) - I sent the report over to REI and they had someone one it that day. All items are confirmed fixed and we're in process of loan funding. My closing coordinator, Malorie Moore, has been awesome keeping everyone on the same page.

REI doesn't sell the property with a tenant in place as a condition of closing like many companies do. That said, i received notice they were running background on a potential tenant a couple days ago. Today, i received the following message:

"The application got approved and they have now put down a security deposit!$1,295 Rent Year 1

$1,295 Rent Year 2
2 Year Lease Length
Expected Lease Closing Date: 3/6/2020"

The rent range was estimated $1,195-$1,295. I am happy to report that we've secured a tenant at the higher end of the rent range!

Originally posted by @Rhett Tullis:

Not to hijack this (and be aware I ONLY know OKC ) I was recently lowballed on an offer by a prominatnt "turnkey" operation on a rental we have listed for sale for an investor.  we were a bit stunned by the 50% below asking offer as was the seller.  We did some digging on recent transactions by this potential buyer.  Here is what we found.

-They recently bought a property for 45k from a wholesaler we work with often

-They rehabbed the home and resold it to an investor for 120k

-The Zestimate (which for okc metro is always inflated) is 69k and that is being generous.

While they did a stellar reno and the house I am sure is awesome it was sold for well above what it is or will be worth in my lifetime.  I know the neighborhood well it is in and I have bought and sold there and manage dozens in the neighborhood.  If this was the only "deal" i have seen with seller I would not even be posting this but I have seen several examples.  

Needless to say these buyers have been taken to the cleaners.  I do not fault the "turnkey" seller but please everyone buying out of state - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!

It is one thing to buy for cashflow and for the numbers to "work" for you but when you pay 20k or more than what any potential buyer will give you for a home in our lifetimes you are putting your investment and your future at risk.  Especially if you scale up as some have recommended in this thread.

Wouldn't a situation like this be ruled out by the appraisal? If someone's paying cash and waives that contingency, i get it but I can't see an appraisal jumping a home's value 50-100%. Perhaps this is ignorance from my lack of experience in Midwest markets? In terms of my primary residence, that would be like the appraiser puting my $750K house at 1-1.5m. I can't see a mistake of that caliber being possible! 

Home inspection report came in and all found items are being addressed.

Most  importantly, the Appraisal came in. Purchase Price $179,900 - Appraised Value $180,000.

Originally posted by @Michael P.:

@Dan T. before you spend 180k on a 1970s rehabbed property that rents for $1295 (not saying it’s bad thing) 


JUST BE AWARE that in OKC (an awesome city/economy) you can buy a new construction for that amount that rents for 1295 and is in a stellar school district/neighborhood.

Thanks, Michael! In what parts of OKC are you talking about? I am still looking in Moore, Yukon and Norman. I will be investing there as well, this will not be my only property. Seems Moore/Norman are the only decent school districts from my research.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

The turnkey model has grown too big for its own good. When I first bought in 2011/2012 there were small operators where you dealt with the owners of the company directly. Now they have become big corporations and while you would think economies of scale would apply, it seems the price mark ups are even higher than with the individual operators. The difference is slick marketing but that doesn't translate into better profits for the investor. There are steps between BRRR and turnkey. You can buy off current investors who want to sell. You may do some small rehab (equal to a rental turn) and should choose your own PM. You will get a better price without the mark ups, certainly will not pay more than appraised value and end up with the same result with marginally more effort. In the end your PM will run the property anyway.

 I would agree, the properties ALL seem expensive and there's no arguing the company size/operational cost wrapped up in the purchase price. I looked at a bunch of "roofstock" properties and portfolios and figured i would be buying someone else's headache and that wasn't how i wanted to enter this world. My thoughts, no one is going to run through and tidy their investment property before selling it or them - i don't want someone's problem child. That's honestly why i went the route i did. It's expensive but, if i plan to hold the property for 10+ years (hell, I don't ever "plan" to sell), it will pay off in the long run and my entry to the real estate investment world would have been as easy as possible - just expensive. These are just my thoughts, where they land in reality, i do not know. Would've been cool to have a mentor in all this but I've always been one to dive in.