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All Forum Posts by: Emma Powell

Emma Powell has started 6 posts and replied 60 times.

Post: Getting Started in Real Estate

Emma PowellPosted
  • Investor
  • Orlando FL
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69

I reached out to people in my local REIA meetings (I found REIAs here on BP, looked it up, and started attending my local chapters). The ones who were doing commercial multifamily, development, or self storage, I took to lunch, met at their offices, ran possible projects by. I started attending conferences and online events with other commercial investors. The first couple of deals I put under contract fell apart, but trying to get it done was a massive learning experience. When I found the one I eventually bought first, I had a decent group of people I could reach out to for questions and partners, both local and not. We banded together to underwrite and negotiate the deal, raise money, and manage the asset.


If you're looking for ways to test your numbers/assumptions, I like https://www.adventuresincre.co... for building spreadsheet models, lots of underwriting training videos as well. All free. We bought the all-in-one for our new development, it's thorough if ugly to use. I also like the free ebook and simple spreadsheet How to Analyze Big Apartment Buildings and Make Them Feel Small https://kronosinvestmentpartne...

Once you've qualified the deal is a good one, seller financing is often a great way to go. You'll still need a down payment, from what you've written above you'll be raising capital from partners on that. Be sure to follow all SEC syndication rules: any silent partners bringing in money and doing no work and no voting are not allowed unless you file the proper legal documents, and preparing those are expensive. If all partners bringing in cash are also doing some work, keep it under 6 people to avoid looking like crowdfunding, and they all need to have voting, responsibilities etc. You'll need an attorney to build a good operating agreement and LLC for the joint venture, likely two LLCs, one to hold title, the other to manage the property.

When you're ready to refinance, you're basically doing a BRRRR, you'll be in a better position on experience with a lender, but the one who signs on the loan will need a net worth equal to the loan size and 10% of that shown as liquid. So bringing in that experience partner now who can sign on a commercial loan later is a good idea.

Cons of seller financing is they often have lower LTV and higher interest rate than banks, but if they don't I use them. Another issue is if they get impatient to refinance, so build in a large cushion of time with a few extensions pre negotiated. They're not required to follow all the same regulations as licensed lenders, so be aware of what their legal responsibilities are. In some ways they're easier, in other ways they're harder, because their negotiations can often be influenced by their emotions.

Happy to help more, feel free to ask questions. This is an amazing start for you, the first large commercial deal, and will open doors the rest of your investing career!

Post: W2 professionals - passive investor or DIY?

Emma PowellPosted
  • Investor
  • Orlando FL
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69

My goal in the next 1-2 years is to go from active multifamily investor to all passive, throwing money into my colleagues' deals. We'll be heavily weighted on real estate with some diversification. Putting money into funds, single and multi offering for both debt and equity, for various types of commercial real estate and maybe even some non-real estate funds like ATMs or auto loans, crowdfunding platforms, stocks in ETF's, BTC and ETH crypto, and a few angel investments in specific types of tech and sports startups we have a background in, provides a lot of diversity while still focusing on my strength in real estate. The goal is to FIRE, work optional, fill our time with a passion project, not work forever, not even as an active real estate landlord.

Post: House hacking to help commercial investing

Emma PowellPosted
  • Investor
  • Orlando FL
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69

Investment Info:

Townhouse buy & hold investment in Bluffdale.

Purchase price: $362,000
Cash invested: $22,500

How does house hacking help buy commercial properties? For us, with several hundred units under management, construction, or contract, house hacking might seem like a drop in the bucket. We bought this home with the intention to move in right away, and that didn't work out as planned. We furnished it from our own home, roughing it ourselves a bit now, so it is currently a short/mid term rental. The extra income all goes toward investing in more commercial projects.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

We love new construction, it often appreciates faster than other types of properties (think of it as raw land renovation!) As we intend to live in this townhome, downsizing from our current house, we wanted something smaller that would rent out more easily as short or long term when we travel or live abroad. This townhome is 2250sqft 4/2.5, walkout basement 1/1 unit, so plenty of room for our large family. The smaller home is more rentable, giving us more income to invest, flexibility to travel.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

We found this builder through our Realtor when we first moved to Utah, but ended up buying a larger home intending to rent out the walkout basement. We never did, so it was too large for us. On the REIA website, we saw this same builder and reached back out. We chose a brand new community for less competition and bid on a unit. In the ensuing months, new units averaged 10-30 bids each, so getting in early was the key to winning a unit.

How did you finance this deal?

We used a personal mortgage, but as a real estate professional, our W2 income is offset by our passive losses, and we didn't qualify. Our mortgage lender worked with us and a new CPA to redo our business taxes to show more income without increasing our tax burden. In fact, our refund ended up so large we used it as the down payment on this property with some to spare, so we didn't feel like we came "out of pocket" on this purchase. Feels like zero down!

How did you add value to the deal?

Buying new construction in a hot area meant it shot up in value even during construction. The same townhome, now less than a year after putting it under contract, and three months after closing, is selling for over $100,000 more than we paid! With only $22,500 down, from a tax refund, we can refinance after the loan seasons to pull out our down payment plus more, with a minimal increase in payment due to low interest rates.

What was the outcome?

We weren't able to rent out our larger home as planned, so we ended up renting the townhome out instead while figuring out what to do. We don't want to sell our current home yet, as this market is appreciating so rapidly. So we plan to refinance out our down payment, the payment will go down, and live in it for another few months to a year. Eventually we'll move into the townhome and sell or rent the current one. Like double house hacking! Both houses have walkout basements we could also rent.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

We learned to have a backup plan! Our original intent to turn our larger home into assisted living didn't work out smoothly, so we are still living in it, with the townhome rented out, while we make backup plans. We'd like a smaller house that rents more easily when we travel, even long term travel, and this larger home is also appreciating so fast we aren't ready to sell it yet. It creates a limbo situation with half our furniture in the new house, half here, and not knowing where we'll be.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

We worked with our Realtor Shaun Mather and the builder sales agent from Edge Homes. We also worked with Derek Smart of Interap Lending and Clyde Jones CPA to be able to qualify: they worked wonders with our tax preparation to more accurately show our rental income versus expenses.

In one word or less: NETWORKING! My first commercial deal was found on my FB feed from a fellow REIA member who was selling her apartment complex off market in a nearby city. My most recent one was brought to me by a REIA speaker I reached out to about out of state flipping because I missed the meeting, who I then always tagged in posts for people to contact if they were interested in that: he recently messaged me to be the experience partner to sign on a loan with him, and I'm now also the asset manager on the BEST returns for a deal that I've ever seen. I have another new one where I met the owner's granddaughter at a business conference, and she put me in touch with the estate executor: now we're buying it. Put the time in to meet people: it's the fastest (yet feels the slowest) way to get things done in this industry.

Post: W2 professionals - passive investor or DIY?

Emma PowellPosted
  • Investor
  • Orlando FL
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69
Originally posted by @Todd Harris:
Originally posted by @Tony Kim:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Stone:
Originally posted by @Annie R.:

@Jonathan Stone

This is not to be confused with someone who can be considered a real estate professional as that's a whole different ballgame.

 To your point Tony, PASSIVE losses offset PASSIVE income. W2 (normal job working for someone else) income is not considered PASSIVE income.

This is the beauty of the married filing jointly W2 worker and full-time real estate professional (spends 750 hours per year on real estate, no other full-time job, AND substantially/materially manages the passive income rentals) because our passive losses offset ACTIVE  income even from the spouse's W2. This is why I self-manage my smaller properties and have a large portfolio, so my asset management of my professional property managers is essential to the functioning of the properties. We work closely with our mortgage lender to make sure our tax returns are optimized to get personal mortgages so our earned income isn't shot by all our losses because on paper it can look pretty bad! 

Post: W2 professionals - passive investor or DIY?

Emma PowellPosted
  • Investor
  • Orlando FL
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69

The beauty of passive investing is the debt because you get much of the cash you put in BACK OUT when the property refinances. So you are double/triple dipping those funds into 2-3 deals before the first one even sells. THAT is how you beat the market and match active investor returns. And even though active investor returns tend to be a higher % ROI, they have very little cash in most of these, so it's less cash earned overall. Putting that money to work in a snowball approach, most people can be retired on passive income in 3-5 years, without ever being a landlord, especially when adding in the tax benefits. Often, it's faster to just get extra money to invest in RE by getting a side hustle in something you're already good at rather than starting from scratch as an active investor.

I'm an active multifamily syndicator with a goal to  be 100% passive in the next 2 years. It's a lot of work, and I didn't get into RE to have a new job! I wanted FIRE as fast as possible

Post: Do you prefer an Airbnb or a hotel when traveling?

Emma PowellPosted
  • Investor
  • Orlando FL
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69

HOTEL! They clean up after me, and Airbnb I'm always feeling like I'm staying at my in-laws and have to leave it spotless. With kids, I really prefer hotels, but the Airbnb is cheaper for the  same number of beds, so we do that instead. But it's even harder to leave it clean. That's the only part I really hate about it, otherwise, I  would use it more

I invest in Little Rock! Love it, just takes a certain area or a certain type of management. Would buy in Houston, again depending on submarket, and Greensboro NC. Class D can make a lot of money for the right investors. I prefer easier to manage Class C and B properties, but I'm not opposed to heavy renovations or repositioning of low Class C or even Class D in a C area. Again, takes a certain type of investor

Post: Good books to read on real estate investing.

Emma PowellPosted
  • Investor
  • Orlando FL
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 69

I like all Brandon Turner's books (the 30% of each book that I read LOL!)

Also like

Big Money in Small Apartments by Lance Edwards

Analyzing Big Apartments and Making Them Seem Small by John Stoeber

Raising Money for Your First Apartment Deal by Michael Blank