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All Forum Posts by: Frank B.

Frank B. has started 4 posts and replied 117 times.

Post: Shift taxable personal income to business

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34

I am not a tax accountant nor an attorney:

If LLCs are single-member LLCs, I think the tax obligations just flow through to your personal return. Multi-member LLCs have to file their own returns but the idea is the same, your ownership % of the LLC flows through to your taxes.

We are owners (members) of our LLC, not employees, so we don't get salaries. The LLC can make distributions to its members, but taxes happen at the time the income is generated, not when distributions happen. Taxes are based on income, which is revenue less expenses. You can include fun things like depreciation as an expense, but expenses need to be related to the business you are doing. Income can be negative, which can offset other income you might have on your tax return.

I don't think you can be a W-2 employee of an LLC of which you are a member.

If you want to be an employee you might have to be incorporated as a s-corp/c-corp/etc, of which I know nothing.

Hopefully someone smarter than me will be able to help you with that.

Post: Buy Fix Hold Deal Analysis and Structure

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34

1. What are your expected costs for insurance, property tax, etc?

2. Is your financing on ARV? If so, what is the seasoning period? What are your financing terms?

3. Is cash on cash your only criteria? If your figures are right and you can get the house cheap (like 55k), you could refi on ARV and get almost all of your cash back, depending on your terms. In that case it would be easy to get 20% cash on cash, but that that doesn't mean your cash flow will be good. If your cash in the deal is $2,500, then 20% cash on cash is only ~$40/mo cash flow. If cash flow is your only goal, that is pretty slim. You may also want to set a goal in terms of $.

4. How certain are you about the rehab cost and rents?

Post: Purchasing 4 low income rental properties analysis and discussion

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34

@Brice Hall 

If I'm reading your projections right it looks like you are assuming a total CAPEX of $190/mo for 4 houses. That is a little less than $50/mo per house for ~1,000 sqft houses.

You may have already gone through all the details to come up with this figure, but if not, this article gives some ideas of costs you might take into account:

http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2015/03/03...

That isn't to say that the numbers in that article are right, but those line items would be things you might want to put into your calculations.

Also, will you be buying these properties with cash or financing?

It looks like you have put alot of time and effort in coming up with this possible plan--keep up the good work!

Post: QuickBooks set up for Rentals, separated and consolidated?

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34

I have done lots of reading around here about folks using QuickBooks for their rentals. I am interested in doing something similar, but I’m not sure I understand the capabilities of the different versions and how things should be set up in the software.

I am looking for a way to set up a couple companies that have properties. I would like to be able to see all the normal reports (balance sheet, income statement, etc.) by company, and also by property, as well as consolidated reports that include all of the companies and properties.

From what I have read here on BP, some people set up each property as a “customer” and keep track of things that way.

I called and talked to the QuickBooks support and they gave me some good info, but they said if I want to use the online version, I would need to buy a separate subscription for each company, which would be expensive.

I haven’t used the software before, but I’ve read that some people use “classes” to keep track of portions of their business. Could classes be used to separate companies to run reports as described above?

I would love to hear how people here set up the software for rentals--thanks in advance for your feedback!

Post: Knowing your market?

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @Chris Music:

Chris, welcome! Great question. helpful information to know about your market includes: median prices, median price/sqft, average days on market, months of existing inventory, distressed sales prices vs rehabbed sales prices, cost for repairs in your area, typical finishes and materials in your area, etc. 

You can reach out to agents and contractors and/or do research online on the various real estate sites.

 Where would one find this kind of info online?

Post: Buy and Hold, Does It Really Make Sense?

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @Toyin Dawodu:

I was once a buy and hold investor. Then one day, my light was turned off by the power company, in the house I lived in.

How could that happen? I had 40 houses, but I was always robbing Peter to pay Paul. Edison, the power company was Peter, so once they caught up with my tricks, my light was shut off.
I was frustrated and very broke. Then one day I attended Ron Legrand's seminar and he spoke about quick flips.
His presentation was so good, I paid to follow him to Las Vegas to hear more.

Since then, I have quick flipped over 400 houses.

So each time I hear new investors talking about buy and hold, I feel real bad. Today I ask myself, why would anyone buy and hold?

I once hired an assitant who is a real estate agent. During the interview, she told me she was an investor. Then I asked her, how many properties she had. She stated that she had three properties, one of them she had owned for over 12 years.

Then I asked her. "How much money are you making? She said Nothing, the rentals were barely breaking even and one was vacant.
Then I asked, "how much have you made in 12 years? Nothing she stated.

So the question is, does buy and hold strategy work for new or veteran investors?

This is a debate that everyone should contribute to?

Should you buy and hold? What if you are cash flowing a few hundred dollars a month?

Let's do the math. I buy a property with no money down. I flipped it in 90 days and made $40,000
You are a buy and hold investor, you buy a property, rent it out and you have a cash flow of $150 per month after paying your mortgage.

How long will it take you to accumulate $40,000? The correct answer is 266 months or 22 years.
So do you want to wait 22 years to make $40, 000?  or do you want to make the money now so you can accumulate enough $40,000 to actually pay cash for a few deals in a few years and then think about buying and holding? 

Which leads me to the one reason why buy and hold can make some sense.

If you are retired, you don't want to earn the peanuts interest paid by banks. It may make sense to buy a property cash, rent it out and get above average return on your money.

Another way it makes sense is if you are buying units and can buy enough and get to a cash flow that can replace your current income.

So let's hear from newbies and veterans, does it really make sense to buy and hold?

Did I understand your example correctly that your profit on a flip was $40k after taking into account your carrying costs, transaction costs (on both ends), and rehab cost? 

And that if you had rented the house instead of selling it, it would only have created $150 cash flow per month?

Just trying to make sure I understand your story.

Post: First buy and hold analysis

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34

One other thing --how confident are you of the $1,000/mo rent figure?

Post: First buy and hold analysis

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34

Not sure if I'm reading it right, but I think it says your debt service is $316/mo and your total expenses are ~$480/mo.

How much are your property taxes and landlord insurance?  ($/yr)

How much are you assuming for maintenance cost and turnover cost? ($/yr)

How much are you assuming for avg CAPEX expense? ($/yr)

What % of the time will the property be vacant? (reduce your revenue to account for this)

If you have everything covered and the results meet your criteria then it sounds like it could work for you.

Originally posted by @Jeff L.:

What are some easy ways or rule of thumbs to estimate costs when you analyze a buy and hold property? It could be a website, or a percentage of the property or rent price, or a fixed price, etc.

Please use the following template when responding:

- Rent:

- Closing Costs:

- Insurance:

- Property tax:

- Utilities:

- Property management fee:

- Vacancy:

- Repairs/capital expenditures:

- Other rule of thumbs you can think of:

An example:

- Rent: Rentometer.com, Zillow, Padmapper.com

- Closing Costs: $5000

- Insurance: ?

- Property tax: Zillow

- Utilities: ?

- Property management fee: 10% rent

- Vacancy: 10%

- Repairs/capital expenditures: 20%

I'm trying to figure out easy ways to analyze properties on a first pass (before narrowing down and getting more accurate numbers).

For example, I've never purchased a property before so I have no idea how much I should add for the closing costs. Is there a way to estimate it based on the price of the property, or do they usually tend to be x thousand dollars?

I also think it'd be interesting to see the different percentages different people use for vacancy, property management, or repairs.

Great question Jeff. Try using the search function on the forums, as lots of this stuff has been discussed to death.