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All Forum Posts by: Gregory Storm

Gregory Storm has started 2 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: Quickbooks vs Freshbooks vs Wave

Gregory StormPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 13
Originally posted by @Rylan Kean:

A little background first... 

I just opened an company with my partner in Nashville, we will be a partnership LLC. This is no longer a side hustle, but rather a full time career with a partner who has been doing this for several years. I am bringing the organization and project management pieces to the table, but I have not been self employed in many years. Our company is involved in rehabs, rentals, wholesaling, and retail real estate. It is also important that the software is scaleable as we have already done 7-12 projects at a time with expected exponential growth as I come on board full time. During my research and work on setting up the accounting side of the business I have come across a few platforms that I want to get some expertise from the BP group on. Yes, I already took a search into the forums, I would like to note searching for specific items can sometimes be a challenge (hopefully they fix that soon).

Software goals:

- track expenses w. mileage tracker

- work well with an accountant (already selected and uses quickbooks, but ok with us using something else). 

- mobile and multiple users

- project management 

- ability to track multiple projects 

- potential employees in near future

- tracking contractors 

So from what I can see the leaders are Quickbooks, Freshbooks, and Wave. What is your favorite and why? PS. Wave is free so I am having a hard time walking away from that one. 

I too am looking for accounting software to get started on.  I've read most of the BP threads on the topic as well as software reviews on Amazon and it's clear that Quickbooks as a business has a lot of pissed off users.  People choose Quickbooks because Quickbooks has the largest market share and not because it's the best software.  The fact that you either have the buy a new version of the desktop software every year or be locked into high increasing monthly fees for the online version is worth looking for other options.

Prior to your post I was comparing Xero and Quickbooks and looking for better solutions here https://www.capterra.com/construction-accounting-s...

I hadn't heard of Wave before your post, but after some research and going through https://www.waveapps.com/wave-accounting-vs-quickb..., I think I'm going to give Wave a try.  They even have quick and easy ways to move to Wave from Quickbooks, Freshbooks, etc., but since I'm just getting set up, I don't have to worry about importing from a different program.

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
 not to get totally off topic but west coast fix and flippers are in the cat bird seat when it comes to rates and terms these days.. the big crowdfunders.. the Genesis ,  Anchor,  Aloha , Civic, Norris, Lending home ,  Peer street   all of these folks are competing for your business.

I don't know anything about social stuff I personally don't really care for it.. I don't have a twitter account I opened a linkdin long ago and never looked at it again..  and I do a ton of business nationwide.. so not sure that matters or maybe it does I don't even know what Twitter does in a business context  other than I hear Trump use it all the time.. and facebook same thing I would NEVER engage a lender on that site its a social site.. Too many wanna bee's and fruads 

I guess I was just surprised by the oddity of decrying the lack of attention from real investors on this social media platform while ignoring your other social media platforms.

I would say one of the points on having your business logo in your BP signature is that you hope to get new business when you post here and if your links make it look like you're not in business it defeats the purpose of showing your business in your signature.

I agree about the heavy competition for lending in Los Angeles market.  I've worked with some of the lenders you posted but you left out Pivotal Capital Group.  They are quick as all get out and are easy and amazing to work with.

Originally posted by @Steve S.:

BiggerPockets for a long time was a great place where investors could meet and exchange information and work together. Over the past year I have noticed a trend of a lot more newbies coming in just looking for information and a lot less real players who truly invest and work together. 

SO... I have two questions....

1) Has anyone else noticed this trend?

2) Where are the real real estate investors conversing if not on this forum?

Trying to figure out where everyone went.

-Steve

My guess is that the "real investors" are busy investing -- doing deals, looking for properties, walking job sites and making stuff happen. Speaking for myself, that's what I've been doing.  As much as I enjoy these forums, there are other priorities that demand time first.

After looking at your BP Profile, I have a couple of questions for you.

  1. Your web site hasn't been updated since 2016.  Why? 
  2. Your Twitter account hasn't been updated since 2016.  Why?
  3. Your Facebook Page hasn't been updated since 2016. Why?
  4. Your social links on your BiggerPockets profile are all broken and make it look like you're not paying attention to details. Why?

Maybe it's because you're busy doing deals and making stuff happen or maybe it's because you're spending too much time on BiggerPockets forum instead of doing deals.

Your post and profile got my attention at the right time because I'm opening escrow on five new properties and might need more lending options.  But as an investor who does fix & flip deals in Los Angeles who is open to working with new private lenders, I'm eager to hear why it looks like you've abandoned your private money business. I'm not saying you have abandoned it, but since there are no updates in almost two years, it definitely looks that way.

Originally posted by @Joseph M.:
@Gregory Storm

Corporate events , weddings and guided tours I’m sure the NIMBY neighbors would love that !

 The neighbors have been getting traffic for that house for last 40 years.  It's already baked in.

@Alex Hamden Did you make an offer on the house?

@Joseph M. I agree that celebrity houses don't sell at a premium and they shouldn't.  There is zero appeal to living in a house once owned by a celebrity.  You'll have less privacy with Star Tours or TMZ tours driving by.  That's why it makes zero sense for an owner who is going to occupy the Brady Bunch house to buy it.  No privacy.

Originally posted by @Joseph M.:
@Alex Hamden

I live in L.A and it doesn’t seem like celebrity owned homes necessarily sell for more but I don’t know if this is different .

 It's not a celebrity owned house.  The house is the celebrity.

The answer is yes!  It would be a solid investment.  Not using AirBNB though.  AirBNB sucks for premium vacation rentals.  VRBO / HomeAway would be the route to go.  The house next door rents for $350 per night and it's just a standard house with no pedigree.

With that said, corporate events and weddings would be the big revenue generators supplemented by guided tours when the house was not rented.

What I would do is renovate the interior of the house to match the interior of the Brady Bunch TV Show.  Once the renovation was done, you'd be able to double or triple the nightly rate.

@Dennis Canon HML was 85% of purchase price. Rehab is with our own money. In terms of drawings, have you ever tried doing those yourself? I measured and created my own as-builts for temporary reference until a drafter can come in and do more professional ones. I've been adjusting the floor plan to see what works best, but I'm wondering if I can use the ones I create for submitting to the city for permits.

@Mike H.

Neither of the sold remodels comps from this architect in my example sold for $1,000,000. One sold for $1,085,000, the other sold for $1,100,000 and one just closed yesterday at $1,150,000.

$250k is low in Los Angeles.  You'd be hard pressed to get a 0 bedroom, 1 bathroom studio condo in highly desirable areas at that price.  I don't know how high the demand in your area is or what the inventory is like, but where this property is, the demand is high as it's home to one of the best schools in the United States so it's very desirable.

With that said, I think if were selling a house that I knew would sell at $250k, yes, I could list at $255k and have it sit on the market and finally get a buyer who wants a discount because the house sat too long.  But I would probably go the same route and list it at $224,900 or $199,900 and get a bidding war.  That's how the Los Angeles market is.  Almost everything worth buying gets multiple offers within days, if not hours.  If you get a good house for under asking price in a desirable neighborhood, it's rare.

I'll explain the thinking behind my $999k/$949 strategy.  Go to Redfin.com and Realtor.com and click on the Price drop down. When you go higher in price, here is what you'll see in terms of the jumps.

Redfin.com

$900,000
$950,000
$1,000,000
$1,250,000
$1,500,000 etc., etc.

Realtor.com
$900,000
$1,000,000 with no other options.

If you expect a sale price of $1,100,000 I don't see any upside to listing at that price because you are loosing a lot of potential buyers who search $1,000,000 and under who could probably afford higher.  You are also loosing the heat and activity on the house and missing out on the opportunity to put a clock on your listing as a "Hot Home" on Redfin. 

You probably have a lot more experience in flipping houses than I do I'd like to know what you see as the downside because I don't see the downside of listing lower, at least in the hot, low inventory pockets of Los Angeles.  Thanks.