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All Forum Posts by: Greg Zessin

Greg Zessin has started 0 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: On Building Leverage for multiple properties while working on credit.

Greg Zessin
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  • Realtor
  • Sherman, IL
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 13

Hi Ozzy. Welcome to Biggerpockets! You are better off trying to buy a few properties contract for deed first. Or partnering with a more experienced investor in your area. Get your feet wet in the business a little. And you need to talk to some bankers in your area to see what they are offering. In most areas that I am familiar with, 30 year mortgages are far and few between for investment properties, unless you are looking at large multi-family units. 4-plexes, 6-plexes, etc. don't count. I got 30 year terms on my first few properties. But all the following numbers depend on the property, the bank, and you. So, you are looking at a 10-20 year term instead. And even shorter for hard money. Additionally, you will typically pay 1 to 1.5% higher interest rates. So if interest for residential is 3% for 15 years, you will pay 4.5% (even with great credit). You will pay 10-24% for hard money, plus points. You will pay property taxes, which in Illinois is higher if it is not occupied by the owner. You will also pay insurance, property up keep, utilities, plus figure for vacancies. The big picture now gets smaller. And if you pay too much for the property without considering the shorter terms, high rates, and hidden costs of rental ownership....your big picture is VERY Red... as in bankrupt. Everything looks good in simple math with round estimated numbers. Hard numbers is where the truth is at. I would also recommend having another investor (even here on BP) review a few deals before you sign a contract just so you are safe. Read a few books on real estate too. The Millionaire Real Estate Investor is one of my favorites. Good luck and glad to meet you.

Post: Do I inform the bank of seller carry back?

Greg Zessin
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Sherman, IL
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 13

I have done those deals. And some banks are still doing them. Usually smaller local banks. Make sure you present it to the bank with the sales contract. In fact, make sure you give the bank other supporting information such as how you plan to improve the property and increase rents. If you just show say you are getting 100% financing, banks are less likely to loan. Some will still do it, but most won't. But if you show how you can increase the value quickly, or how you have to put in your own money to fix it, the bank will be more open. It helps to have some real estate experience when trying to get these loans. My first deal like this, I already had 7 properties I was renting.

Additionally, you don't want to leave a bad taste in the mouth of the bank. If it gets all the way to closing and then they find out, you are in some trouble. Not only may you lease the funding, you lose future funding too.

Here is how my deals with this type of financing go. Meet with Mr. Seller to view the property. Ask Mr. Seller questions like how long he's had the property, why he's selling, what's he doing after he sells. This will give you clues to whether he can even do a Seller Carry Back. Let's say he's had it for 20 years and he's tired of managing. So, I ask Mr. Seller if I give a X dollars for the property (which is usually close to asking OR is asking price - assuming the numbers work), will you be willing to loan 20%, the remainder will come from the bank and/or me. Mr. Seller agrees. We sign two documents. One is the financing documents. Typically it is a shorter term note. The second is the sales contract, with the contingency that has approved financing from the seller and from the bank. That way if the seller decides he just wants to sell and not finance, you have a legitimate escape from the deal. Then you go to Mrs. Banker with all your supporting documents on why this is such a good deal. In a nice binder, I show Mrs. Banker the sales contract, the seller financing contract, pictures of the property, spread sheets showing the cash flow of the property, current tax returns, paystubs, expected repair costs, and a summary of my real estate experience (even if its just being a member of biggerpockets and your local REIA and the 2 books you read this year). Mrs. Banker is impressed with how prepaired you are and the numbers make sense. So she gives you an in house commercial loan. And you are on your merry way!

Another strategy I use more often (since I buy properties that need work) is to get credits from the seller. You may not get the whole down payment covered, but you can get a lot depending on the bank. Some banks limit seller credits to 6% of the contract price. Others will allow more. Usually credits are for major repairs like windows, roof, furnace, flooring.

Hope this helps. Good luck with your investing!

Post: When to STOP taking applications?

Greg Zessin
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Sherman, IL
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 13

First, definitely don't stop answering phone calls until money is in hand with a signed lease. However, it is okay to be honest with callers. Tell them you have several applicants already and you are expecting the property to be leased. Tell them you would be happy to show them the place OR take their name and number in case the other applicants are not qualified. Most people will just leave their info. Some will thank you for your time and move on. A few will still want to see the place. Once rented, immediately stop marketing.

Second, don't wait so long to review applications!! I have missed out on good prospects by taking too long to review applications. And a week it to long. You need to have some minimum rental guidelines such as income requirements, length of employment, credit standards, etc. Ideally you should be able to get back to a prospect within 1-2 days tops. If the people need an answer by the end of that day, then THEY are moving too quick and you don't need them. But I found 1 day is the best and no more than 2 days. You should be looking for the first qualified, not the best qualified. If you get more than one qualified at the same time, then go with the better qualified first and keep the other one just in case.

Of problems to have, that's a great one. And next time you rent it out, you should try to get more... especially if it is a warmer time of year. Good luck!!!

Post: List Price

Greg Zessin
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Sherman, IL
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 13

List Price is just a hopeful number. And when it comes to REOs and such, sometimes the number is what they owe. Sometimes its what they think they can get or what they think it's worth. And make sure you check the circumstances out before you offer. See these examples below.

I have offered 2k on a 15k list price. I bought the house for 7k cash. House is now worth 60k. House had some mold in the basement and was 2 weeks from being sold for back taxes. So, knowing that, I low balled. I did put about 12k into the house, then refinanced for 35k and now collect $775 a month rent.

I offered 32.5k on a 30k list price. I bought for 32.5k the first day it went on the market. House had been "flipped", but the other investor wasn't able to complete. It had new windows, roof, furnace, siding, trim, flooring, paint, doors, landscapping,etc. I had to finish putting on outlet covers, towel bars, and appliances. The house was last appraised at 68k.

Post: Has anyone installed porcelain flooring the look just like Wood Floors?

Greg Zessin
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Sherman, IL
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 13

I used to sell and install tile in my pre-real estate life. The wood look porcelain is very cool and popular. However, they are not very convincing that they are real wood and give a more modern look (not a bad thing). A few brands have some very convincing looks, but the cost a fortune. In any case, wood floors throughout homes is VERY popular in our area. And more people are going to the porcelain with the wood look for the durability. I have seen the wood porcelain in homes ranging from median price level to multi million dollar homes. It's more of a matter of taste.

NOTE!!! if you decide to install (or have someone install) these types of porcelain that are rectangle and not square, MAKE SURE the stagger of the grout lines is one-third or less!!! That means if the tile is 24 inches long, the end piece of the tile on the next row must not go over 8" (and 6" would be better) from the end of the piece in the current row. If you stagger the joints at 12 inch centers, you will have lots of edges sticking up, which is uncomfortable to walk on. All tiles are cupped. But rectangle tiles are manufactured, they are more noticeable. Play with a few pieces on a flat surface, and you will see what I mean.

Post: Financial planning software - extra mortgage payments and payoff dates

Greg Zessin
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Sherman, IL
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 13

I just uploaded the file. If you going to the budgeting page and fill in all the info, it will show you how much or little you have every month. If you find you have an etra $1000 a month, you can ear mark $500 or so to be applied every month to your loan balances (which accelerates the pay-offs - which it reflects in the projections).

Post: Financial planning software - extra mortgage payments and payoff dates

Greg Zessin
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Sherman, IL
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 13

Google Dave Ramsey Snowball Budget in Excel. You will have to look through them, but at one time I found a really, really detailed excel file with multiple pages. You could enter dozens of credit cards, loans, etc. And it would tell you when each one would be paid off. Additionally, you can also do other budgeting with it. And say you get a nice bonus from work, and you want to apply it to paying off the loans...you can put that into the spreadsheet and it will auto-change the pay-off dates. I will up load the file it I can find it.