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All Forum Posts by: Hawazin Alabbasi

Hawazin Alabbasi has started 0 posts and replied 16 times.

Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

@Hawazin Alabbasi 

$3,825,000 loan amount PITI is $34900 monthly

Your monthly rents stated are $22,098  it does not cash flow at 75% 

$2,295,000 probably maximum loan as PITI is $23000

Over 8 units is commercial. Loans are due in full in five or seven years. At the end of the five years you must refinance or sell. This is why many commercial office/retail/multifamily are in trouble- the rate is high and hard to cash flow.  No I do not mean "you need to multiply cash flows..." 

Value for commercial weighs on the rents, then Class, then comparables which is different than residential. If this is a purchase you need a huge down payment, if a refinance then your valuation is way too high and won't appraise for $5,1 


That's right, but also there are loans for the down payment. I think is better to start with a small investment, then go up.

Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

@Hawazin Alabbasi The ins and outs of a commercial loan over 8 units can be similar to DSCR BUT generally the DSCR loans lenders offer and speak about here only apply to up to eight units. 12-22 is multifamily and may be saleable to Fannie Freddie if the property cash flows, meets minimum loan amount, similar loan to value. Multifamily and commercial loans are not 30 or 40 year they are often due in five years and you keep re-qualifying and refinancing. How long have you operated?

@Richard Ruedas DSCR borrower needs good FICO, rents are verified by appraiser and you show the leases, are offered in 30 and 40 year terms often have a prepay. Property meets health and safety codes in good to great condition.


 Hi Caroline,

According to your comment " 12-22 is multifamily and may be saleable to Fannie Freddie if the property cash flows, meets the minimum loan amount, and similar loan to value. Multifamily and commercial loans are not 30 or 40 years they are often due in five years and you keep re-qualifying and refinancing." so I need to multiply the cash flows yearly by 5 years and check if it is the same price as the property? That's what you mean? Here is the information, can you please tell me, if this meets the minimum of the loan? And how do the loan lenders calculate the value?

FINANCIAL SUMMARY (ACTUAL - 2022)

ANNUALANNUAL PER SF
Gross Rental Income$265,184$18.52
Other Income--
Vacancy Loss--
Effective Gross Income$265,184$18.52
Taxes$59,701$4.17
Operating Expenses$47,573$3.32
Total Expenses$107,274$7.49
Net Operating Income$157,910$11.03

PROPERTY FACTS

Price$5,100,000
Price Per Unit$318,750
Sale TypeInvestment
Cap Rate5.93%
Gross Rent Multiplier12.95
No. Units16
Property TypeMultifamily
Property SubtypeApartment
Apartment StyleLow Rise
Building ClassC
Building Size14,320 SF
Average Occupancy100%
No. Stories2
Year Built1963
Quote from @Jerardo Linares:

@Richard Ruedas we do a lot of DSCR loans for our mortgage clients and its definitely a great strategy when you dont show too much income on paper. I used it for one of my joshua tree airbnbs, I bought it and fixed it up, then cashed out with a DSCR investor loan


 Hi Jerardo,

Can the DSCR loan cover a multi-family loan of 12-22 units? How much is the DSCR limitation? Also, do you know any other loans that can cover 22 units regards of the price of the building if it has great cash flow?

Post: What I wish Pace Morby would have told me

Hawazin AlabbasiPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 0
Quote from @Zachary McDonough:

Creative financing is like thinking outside the box when it comes to buying or selling a house. It's all about finding alternative ways to structure the deal that works for both the buyer and the seller.

One popular method is called "subject-to," or subto for short. Basically, it means that instead of getting a new loan, the buyer takes over the existing mortgage payments. They're still responsible for making those monthly payments, but they don't have to go through the whole process of getting a new loan. It can be super handy if someone can't qualify for a traditional mortgage or just wants to avoid all the hassle and fees.

Another cool option is seller financing. Picture this: the seller becomes the lender! Instead of going to a bank, the buyer makes payments directly to the seller. It's like cutting out the middleman. This can be a win-win situation because the buyer gets some flexibility and the seller gets regular cash flow.

You can see how our current interest rate market has made it tough to pencil out deals. So taking the creative approach can help ease the exit strategy, which (for me) is buy-n-holds. According to Google search engine, the average rates (as of 5/19/23) are 7.521%. So creative financing at a rate even 1% below the average can drastically affect your exit strategy. (FYI, an exit strategy is a fancy way of your plan for the property, like sell, rent, flip, etc)

So when I started seeing all these videos from Pace Morby about how I could buy investment property at 2020 interest rates with no credit, no experience, and no money, I got excited!! However, I’ll give you a small spoiler alert, it didn’t pan out as I defined it in the beginning.

How things started:

  • 30 day close
  • $6,000-$9,000 in expected closing costs
  • $50,000 rehab costs
  • Interest rate: 3.125%

When we started this process, it was early December. In fact, it was 3 days prior to me having my shoulder reconstructed, which might be part of why this deal was stressful. The lender was Carrington Mortgage Services. One of the first things, I did was talk to the lender prior to signing the contract. Over the phone, I received approval to access the seller’s mortgage information (ie rates, loan term, etc) by the verbal approval of the seller. We asked several questions about how seamless the experience would be. They assured us that it would take more steps than normal but would result in about 30 days close.

Once the seller and I talked a bit, we set out to close in 35 days…

First rule: be more conservative if you can. Try to get better margins on your risks. Worried about losing money? Find reasons to ask the seller for a price decrease. Worried about not closing on time? Create a buffer.

Well, anyways, as soon as we were assigned our loan officer. He laughed and said that there’d be no way we could close in 30 days but expected it to be worst case 60 days. So the seller agreed to the extension, because of limited options. So we proceeded on. As we approached 60 days, the bank very slowly asked for more paperwork after claiming several times that we were set. So it was clear to me, 60 days wasn’t going to happen.

So we marched on. We were supposed to close on January 5th, but we extended it to late February. When late February wasn’t going to happen, we extended it to March 15th. The bank had a forbearance agreement with the seller, so we figured if we could close before the agreement expired (March), we’d successfully close this deal. Now, in case you don’t know, forbearance is basically a pause on mortgage payments. The bank allows you some time to catch up. This has become increasingly popular since COVID.

As we entered March, the bank continued to fumble over what paperwork we needed. Between mid-February and mid-March, I emailed or called nearly once a day to our assigned loan processor/officer for updates. They would respond rarely but I could tell we were progressing but not at a rapid rate.

Another lesson: I quickly learned that the banks had very little motivation in the assumption process. They clearly were not profiting off this transaction, which unfortunately gave me very little ability or leverage to make demands since they did NOT care at all. It’s clear to me that banks do not make much money in the maintenance of loans or buying loans in the secondary market (as Carrington Mortgage Services does), which leads me to question why anyone would want to run a business like that. But one of the three of YOU still reading this may be able to answer that. Regardless, let’s continue.

When we were exiting the first week of March, I was hammering the lender, telling them that they were at risk of losing the transaction (an empty threat). I hammered on saying, “You need to produce the TRID CD.” For those interested, traditional lenders have to produce CD or closing disclosures 3 days before closing to allow buyers to review them for error. Trust me they are needed. I caught a ton of errors in their CD!

Well, finally, we got a CD, which allowed us to close as soon as they sent the closing package to title. Well, they couldn’t produce that package until the day of closing, which wasn’t till 3/22. So yes, you guessed it!! We had to get the seller to sign another extension. So finally we reach the settlement day, title sent us the ALTA, and my jaw drops.

The ALTA settlement sheet says the seller has to pay money. A lot of money. Like $1,200. So I talked to my title company, PR Title Group. (Btw, I highly recommend them. Whet and Tamra are fantastic. ) PR title says they inputted the closing numbers from the bank. Then, the bank claims that title is wrong. Well, surprise, surprise, the bank messed up yet again! The closing numbers were way higher than expected though! We had to bring her mortgage current. We also had to file a quit claim deed due to the way the deal had to be structured per VA assumption, according to the bank.

But guess what we closed!!

How things ended:

  • 30 day close
  • $23,000 in closing costs
  • $50,000 rehab costs
  • Interest rate: 3.125%

Why would we want to close if the closing costs double? Can’t you see why not everyone would want to do this? It may sound easy but it’s not. It takes a lot of problem-solving. It takes immense faith in the process and your own ability.

It’s not easy but it’s worth it. Here’s why we are okay with the new cost:

  • Purchase price: $246,000
  • Mortgage: $1450/mo (PITI included)
  • ARV: $380,000
  • Rehab costs: $50,000
  • All-in costs: $73,000
  • Gross rent: $2600/month
  • Gross cashflow: $1150/month
  • ROI: 18.90%

Not bad in my opinion. Some of the value in this property is my experience. I learned so much about how these things worked. I stayed up late researching. I fought hard to make a deal work for the seller. We provided a great solution to a seller in need. Now, you may be asking, “Would you do it again?” And I would answer, “Heck yeah.”

Expectations would be set and the deal would be a lot easier. Last lesson: In life, raising the bar for yourself starts with lowering the bar for everyone else. Be accountable, take ownership, and don’t expect it all to happen overnight.

Your real estate friend,

Zack McDonough



  • Purchase price: $246,000
  • Mortgage: $1450/mo (PITI included)
  • ARV: $380,000
  • Rehab costs: $50,000
  • All-in costs: $73,000
  • Gross rent: $2600/month
  • Gross cashflow: $1150/month
  • ROI: 18.90%
I am confused :) Why the owner did not pay the mortgage by himself, it is not that much to push him to sell his house by Sub-to strategy. I really don't understand the logic especially since the rent will cover the mortgage payment right? So what is the point then? Will the seller get the cash flow or not? Also, what benefit will you get from purchasing this house if the cash flow will go to the seller? Can you please explain the benefits of this strategy for you and for the seller? Thanks!



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    Post: What I wish Pace Morby would have told me

    Hawazin AlabbasiPosted
    • Los Angeles, CA
    • Posts 16
    • Votes 0

    Hi Zac,

    Thanks a lot for sharing this with us. Can I know please if the cashflow will go to the seller or to the buyer?