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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 8 posts and replied 3607 times.

Post: Should I sell a massively cash-flow negative property?

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Originally posted by @Ben Morris:

@Account Closed You're absolutely correct, it has paid me a ton in appreciation but I cashed that out 10 years ago.  Since then, I've only been paying interest on that which has eroded much the benefit I took.  Unfortunately, that benefit is gone, but that's another story.  I think I'm better off right now doing as others have suggested and dump the property and stop the month-to-month bleeding.

Also, I don't see that rate of appreciation continuing into the future.

So what are you gaining by selling?  It seems like you will maybe need to bring money to the table and walk away with nothing.  If you keep it you will have an income earning asset.  What will it cost you to replace it?

I wouldn't put a lot on faith in internet advice.  You also have not given enough information for an informed decision.  But do what you want.  That was your plan from the beginning correct?

Post: Help! Grand Rapids MI dual use property options?

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No, if you have $200,000 invested and an $18,000 NOI that you can sell for only $180,000 then you only have one cap rate. You HAVE overspent on improvements.

Post: Should I sell a massively cash-flow negative property?

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Originally posted by @Ben Morris:

@Ben McMahon I think you're absolutely correct.  It's been taking up so much headspace that it's been a virtually paralyzing, keeping me from experiencing better deals.

BTW, I talked with my realtor this afternoon.  We're going to list the property next week.  This forum was exactly what I needed.

So this property has appreciated about $10,000 a year, $833 a MONTH!  And you return the favor by DUMPING it.  Where is your "better" deal?  Ha Ha  Had you put down 20%, $31,000 you'd be getting 32% back just on the appreciation.

Post: Should I sell a massively cash-flow negative property?

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Originally posted by @Jeff B.:

Where's all those that keep taunting "Invest For Appreciation and not Cash Flow"???

we're sitting here comfortably waiting for some cash faux cheerleader to figger out about the $180,000 cash flow (appreciation) he put in his pocket.

Post: Help! Grand Rapids MI dual use property options?

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Originally posted by @Justin Workman:

In this case i am using it as a return on the investment with out leverage.  Which it is.  The market only sets cape rates by driving up or down purchase prices, rental rates, and expences. Which change the rate of return. This is the unleveraged rate of return, which assumes its a cash deal, same thing as a cape rate. 

They can purchase for $100,000 and add $100,000 for a rehab and end up with $18,000 NOI but if the market will only pay $180,000 then their cap rate is 10%. Your 9% is not a cap rate.

Post: best cities now for multi-family investment

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Originally posted by @William Hochstedler:

@Mike Palmer

Why would you think that Logan has high cap rates?  Although small, it's probably the most stable market in the state and probably one of the most stable in country.  There are plenty of investors that like that.

Boring does not equal high cap rates.

How'd I do @Account Closed?

I'm verklempt!  Talk amongst yourselves, pick a topic.

Post: Buying turnkey rental close to market value? Crazy or no?

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Originally posted by @Vic Vega:

@Account Closed Ok I see you mean the actual final closing price and not the current asking price. So you're saying it's pointless to run numbers to try and determine a possible worthwhile rental property based on a price you may potentially pay for it?

Exactly!  ALL properties in the same market are going to be the SAME degree of worthwhileness as a rental unless there is a unique detriment to a particular property.

The first thing any investor should do is determine the market values of properties in their target market.  An analysis on one should carry over to all of them.  Now if a seller will not sell at market then it doesn't matter and if you can find a seller to sell below market that will be better but generally no one will sell to you under market unless you are able to solve a problem for him. 

Now nothing wrong with running a lot of "what if" calculations to get used to numbers and calculations but realize they are just practice numbers and calculations. 

Post: Buying turnkey rental close to market value? Crazy or no?

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Originally posted by @Vic Vega:

@Account Closed I'm not sure what you mean by the house doesn't have a sale price? Is $104,000 not the sale price?

Did you pay $104,000?

Post: Buying turnkey rental close to market value? Crazy or no?

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Originally posted by @Vic Vega:

@Account Closed The NOI and asking price aren't made up. They're accurate numbers on a property currently on the market. The price is just slightly under market value (compared to comps) at $104,900. It's not a single family home.

Yes, rent is $1250-1350. All numbers were pulled from comps. Home's generally sell for $105,000ish.

So if you have a value number by direct sales comparison why on earth are you calculating a cap rate on a SFR that DOESN'T even have a sales price yet? Cap rate is a valuation metric NOT a profit metric. You are spinning your wheels calculating numbers for no reason other than to say they make "sense".

Post: Buying turnkey rental close to market value? Crazy or no?

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Originally posted by @Vic Vega:

@Account Closed do you have any solid input/perspective to provide? 8.7% make sense for my area in comparison to others in the area.

Yes. There are no cap rates on SFR's. If you think so please provide three verifiable cap rate comps for SFR's. If all you are doing is dividing made up NOI's by made up asking prices then you do not get a number that makes any sense.

Are rents generally $1250-$1350 for similar homes in the area?  Do homes in the area generally sell for $80,000?  If so then let's take $1300 X 12 = $15,600  $80,000 normal sales price, divided by $15,600 =5.1 gross rent multiplier.  I would not pay more than 5.1 times the gross rent on another property.  You are using the property you want as a comp based on the sellers numbers.  You want to use the number that other actual buyers used.