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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 8 posts and replied 3607 times.

Post: Buying turnkey rental close to market value? Crazy or no?

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Originally posted by @Vic Vega:

@Account Closed I'm saying the cap rate on the rental property I'm considering is 8.7% which makes sense as being a property to consider.

Why does 8.7% make sense?  Does 10.2% make sense?  What about 15.3%? 

Post: How do you find Cap rates for markets without calling a Broker?

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

What type of properties are you looking for?  I don't think it was noted anywhere.

Depending on the type, size, and your investment objectives, you could probably eliminate a lot of markets without doing much work.

This is his goal,  "I'm not planning on using it to select a market in particular, but to value properties and see if potential properties are over or accurately valued in their asking price."

How would your suggestion accomplish what you said?

Post: Buying turnkey rental close to market value? Crazy or no?

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Originally posted by @Vic Vega:

  Given all that the cap rate math certainly makes sense. 

What are you saying?

Post: best cities now for multi-family investment

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Originally posted by @Adam Adams:
Originally posted by @Mike Xiao:

I currently have a home in Tooele, UT.  It's paid off, but I'm wanting to sell it, and take that money to use towards the down payment of a multi-family property. After everything, I think I might have $150K-$200K to put down. 

I live in San Diego, and the market here is just sky high. 

I'd like to know which cities in the US are good investment options now, and why.

Preferably an area where the cost for permits to build new buildings is high.....as to keep away new developers from diluting the market.

Thanks!

Ohio is great, tons of competition, high cap rates (10%-30%), 

Adam Adams

High cap rates means there is little competition.  If there were tons of competition the cap rates would be low.  30% cap rate pretty much means NO ONE wanted it. 

Post: Need Feedback On Multi-Family Analysis

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If the NOI is $51,000 a year and the cap rate comps are 15.3% then the property is worth about $333,300 and your property is over priced by about $87,000!

Post: Help! Grand Rapids MI dual use property options?

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Originally posted by @Justin Workman:

lets start by looking at the numbers.  Your projected rents are 3000 per month or 36k per year in gros rents.  Subtract out all of your expences, taxes, insurance, vacancy, maintance, lawn care snow removal ... roughly 50% of your income is the rule of thunb but run the numbers.  It leaves you with a net of 18k per year.  With the repairs mentioned i think your rehab budget is way to small.  I would gues you would be closer to 100k posibly, because you are spliting the utilities and updating you are also going to have to build firewalls to seperate each unit per code. It depends on what you do.  Lets say you buy it for 100k put 100k into it on the rehab and rents and expences net you 18k per year.  18000/200000 = .09 or a 9 cap.  Not the best deal for the risk and work required.  If you only put 50k into it, its a 12 cap which is beter, but again its a lot of risk.  Also consider comercial space normaly has longer vacancies between tenets, and the property taxes will uncap once you buy it and could raise your tax bill significantly.  Keep digging into the numbers, and be conservative on your estimate, make sure you cover everything.

The cap rate is set by the market.  The amount of repairs only changes the value NOT the cap rate. 

Post: best cities now for multi-family investment

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Try Some markets in Texas, in older neighberhood or college towns Ohio or Indiana, Might work

 How would you suggest a CA investor deal with the high real estate taxes in TX while still paying the high income taxes in CA on those properties?

Post: Tax on investment property: North Carolina vs South Carolina

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Originally posted by @Mohan Dag:

It seems both the parties are talking about their perspective of return. Both are correct. The argument is why the market pays more for less return or vice versa. Cap rate , CoC are all only good as your inputs and relevancy to your situation.

 Because a cap rate does not measure "returns".  It measures the market perceived value of net operating income.  

Post: I am making a lender package - Advice on stats to show?

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Originally posted by @Raymond McGill:

  I am working up a package to show lenders, 

Pro Forma Cap Rate: 9.30%

Purchase Cap Rate: 38.03%

Pro Forma Cap Rate: 10.66%

Purchase Cap Rate: 28.89%

There are no Cap Rates on SFR. Your calculations on different cap rates will cause your lenders to laugh out loud! Forget cap rates.

Post: Cincinnati Real Estate Market

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Originally posted by @Ben Gammon:

Hey Bob, 

I'm looking for a buy and hold investment and appreciation is just icing on the cake. I actually prefer that it isn't a fast growing city because it means it doesn't crash as hard in a down turn. 

Buy and hold until your tenant is the last one in town?  Population growth does not guarantee appreciation.  It is about supply and demand.  If you read the thread I linked to you'll see that I commented on buying where the demand is, along the river, instead of in areas just because it is cheap because if your demand decreases then your cash flow goes away or decreases.