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All Forum Posts by: Ihe O.

Ihe O. has started 15 posts and replied 387 times.

Post: Gun control for tenants?

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Wesley W.:

@Ihe O.  I understand your strategy with having the rule in place, but Maryland is extremely tenant friendly.  What are your legitimate chances of evicting a paying tenant for a lease violation, and what would that cost you in legal fees?

 Couple of hundred bucks once they are month to month and I just have to give 30 days notice.

Post: Evictions - some attitude adjustment?

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Marc Winter:

Landlords, as you say, are in business;  a professional businessperson is an expert in their chosen field--in this case your state's L/T law.

Are there other alternatives to filing for non-payment?  One could try actually speaking with the recalcitrant tenant to find out what is the holdup in payment and when payment will be made.

Remind them aware of the consequences of non-payment.  I would use a non-emotional, matter-of-fact approach.

Rather use a carrot than a stick?  Try a 'cash for keys' approach with the tenant.  That's right, you PAY them to move.  You might give them a month's rent to move, but according to your story you'll lose 4 or 5 months through the court system.

How long are you willing to wait? The more time a tenant goes without paying, the greater the percentages are you will NEVER see the payment.

You know this is a business; if you don't like the rules in your state, invest in another location with rules you can live with.  Or change your investing strategy; owning rental property/landlording  is not for everyone.  

The analogy about the doctor/headache--doesn't play quite right, imho.  There are no legal consequences to taking your own aspirin, or going to another doctor, or just suffering.  There are serious legal and financial ramifications for landlords who do not follow the L/T laws, ie 'self-help' evictions.

Good luck.

B4 assuming that the longer the wait for the rent the less likely the tenant will pay one would do well to look at things from the tenant point of view, because as a delinquent tenant once said to me when I offered to let her out of her lease "It costs money to move".

Here's the math. If you stiff your landlord you'll lose your security deposit (at least a months rent), you will need at least 2 months rent to put down on your new place and it could easily cost you a couple of grand to move. That could easily amount to 5 months rent,  plus you have the inconvenience and uncertainty of not knowing where you are going to be living and the consequences of a bad tenant reference and maybe an unpaid judgement against you. 

So while there is a point at which the numbers favour the tenant stiffing the landlord it certainly isn't within the first 30 days of being late and even within the first 60 it probably still makes more financial sense for them to pay their rent than walk away unless they won't be paying rent at their destination. So there is an  economic rationale for a landlord not to be too quick to rush off to file an eviction.

Post: Gun control for tenants?

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Chris Szepessy:

I understand what you’re trying to say, but late rent is pretty hard to “hide.” Unless you’re rummaging through every square inch of a tenants house/apartment, finding a gun can be extremely difficult. And yes, there are occasions where tenants can be reckless and leave a gun out, but they’re most likely a person who shouldn’t have one in the first place. Responsible gun owners keep them locked away in a safe where only they can access them. By having a no gun policy, you’re only keeping responsible gun owners out of your properties. Criminals do not follow rules/laws, so they aren’t going to care if you allow guns or not.

You keep criminal out of your property with criminal background checks.

A no guns policy is because I don't want guns or people who will brings guns in my rental whether they are responsible or not. I'm not going to rummage through looking for one but I want a policy in place that allows me to remove a tenant if I encounter one and I want a tenant to know that before they sign on to rent from me. 

I'm happy that there are landlords who will allow guns because that means  gun owners don't need to rent from me.

Different analogy for you. Just because the police are not going to go door to door rummaging for crime it doesn't mean there is no point in having laws.

Post: Gun control for tenants?

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Wesley W.:
Originally posted by @Ihe O.:

I've seen a gun, smelt weed and seen cigarette ash and an unmentioned pet in all but one of my rentals. 

With all due respect, it sounds like your problem is with tenant screening.

With respect. I never said I had a problem. My tenants have all been with me for at least 3 years. All those situations were easily brought  under control and I don't go to the hood where my rentals are feeling I need to pack heat. 

Post: Gun control for tenants?

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Chris Szepessy:
Originally posted by @Ihe O.:
Originally posted by @Genny Li:
Originally posted by @Ihe O.:
Originally posted by @Genny Li:

Given where I’m looking to purchase, *I* will be packing heat when I’m alone on my own properties. :)  I wouldn’t deny them the same protection.

Forbid it and the ones you don’t want to have guns will get them anyway and you won’t know until too late. Nothing good can come of such a policy, really. 

Nothing good except encouraging such people to find a gun tolerant landlord who won't terminate their lease instead of renting from me who will if I discover it.

 lol. Because you’ll be looking in their drawers? Otherwise you find out because they already shot your walls...

The people you don’t want having guns don’t care about your rules about them.  This isn’t like a tenant with a 65 lb dog or a hoarding issue. Guns are pretty easy to hide. 

I've seen a gun, smelt weed and seen cigarette ash and an unmentioned pet in all but one of my rentals. The thing is people don't hide these things, the gun was lying on the dresser, the tenants teenage daughter let me into the parents bedroom to inspect something while they were out and I saw it and she saw me see it.

 Your last two posts seem to contradict one another.  The first posts says "state your rules and oftentimes they'll find a different place to live." Your second post basically says that you "found non compliance in all but one of your rentals."  You just proved that potential tenants WON'T find a different place to live if they don't agree with your rules up front, they'll just do what they want until they're caught.

People don't tend to start out being intentionally non-complicit, it something that may happen over time and with change.

The contention that I am dispelling is that there is no point in having a rule that isn't going to be complied with because if that were true then there would be no point in having rules against late rent.

Post: Evictions - some attitude adjustment?

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190

So your tenant is 5 days late or whatever and you are a business not a charity, time to crank up the only remedy in your arsenal, it's off to the courthouse to file eviction.

Evictions - I've had a few - they both took 4-5 months from start to finish during which time no rent was collected. One was a holdover who refused to vacate after an acquisition and was thrown out by the sheriff the other stopped paying and sat in the house until eviction day and then left peacefully before the sheriff showed up.

But of course it is going to take  ages to get a date for an eviction case,  the system is clogged up with filings from landlords against tenants who are "5" days or whatever late and who are in effect abusing the eviction process to get their tenant to pay. 

Yes I said abusing the eviction process, because the remedy in an eviction case is not the unpaid rent, it is the removal of the tenant. So the people that  genuinely need to get a tenant out have to wait ages and lose lots of money because of the volume of frivolous eviction suits brought by landlords who are really trying to get paid.

Does that attitude work for the betterment of all, or are landlords by aggregate of their behavior actually shooting themselves in the foot.

Here is an analogy for you. Suppose there were a limited number of doctors in your locality and everybody asked to see one whenever they had a headache. What would be the collective effect on the health of the community as a whole.

Post: The 15-day rent payment grace period in Maine

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Eric Pierpont:

I told my tenants they would not be charged a 4% late fee until 15 days from the time payment is due. The 15-day grace period is state law which I will abide by. So now tenants do not pay me until the 13th or 14th of the month which is annoying. What would be a good way next time around to present a stricter payment policy while still abiding by the law? 

Good for your tenants. Why not just abide by the law. It's there to protect both of you.  

Post: The 15-day rent payment grace period in Maine

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Thomas S.:

Give them a pay or quit notice on the second of the month and begin the eviction process. They will likely pay immediately to avoid an eviction. They next time they pay late do the same thing again and this time when they do pay tell them if they are late again you will carry through and evict them.

There is no reason a tenant should ever pay late unless their landlord has trained them to do so. You have trained your tennats very well.

If you are not prepared to evict there is no reason any tenant would be motivated to pay on time.

 Do you ever have a solution other than evicting people?

Post: Gun control for tenants?

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Genny Li:
Originally posted by @Ihe O.:
Originally posted by @Genny Li:

Given where I’m looking to purchase, *I* will be packing heat when I’m alone on my own properties. :)  I wouldn’t deny them the same protection.

Forbid it and the ones you don’t want to have guns will get them anyway and you won’t know until too late. Nothing good can come of such a policy, really. 

Nothing good except encouraging such people to find a gun tolerant landlord who won't terminate their lease instead of renting from me who will if I discover it.

 lol. Because you’ll be looking in their drawers? Otherwise you find out because they already shot your walls...

The people you don’t want having guns don’t care about your rules about them.  This isn’t like a tenant with a 65 lb dog or a hoarding issue. Guns are pretty easy to hide. 

I've seen a gun, smelt weed and seen cigarette ash and an unmentioned pet in all but one of my rentals. The thing is people don't hide these things, the gun was lying on the dresser, the tenants teenage daughter let me into the parents bedroom to inspect something while they were out and I saw it and she saw me see it.

Post: Gun control for tenants?

Ihe O.Posted
  • Investor
  • Laurel, MD
  • Posts 395
  • Votes 190
Originally posted by @Genny Li:
Originally posted by @Ihe O.:
Originally posted by @Genny Li:

Given where I’m looking to purchase, *I* will be packing heat when I’m alone on my own properties. :)  I wouldn’t deny them the same protection.

Forbid it and the ones you don’t want to have guns will get them anyway and you won’t know until too late. Nothing good can come of such a policy, really. 

Nothing good except encouraging such people to find a gun tolerant landlord who won't terminate their lease instead of renting from me who will if I discover it.

 lol. Because you’ll be looking in their drawers? Otherwise you find out because they already shot your walls...

The people you don’t want having guns don’t care about your rules about them.  This isn’t like a tenant with a 65 lb dog or a hoarding issue. Guns are pretty easy to hide. 

That's not how deterrents work.  You don't go looking for non-compliance.  You state them and oftentimes those that don't want to abide, be it no smoking, no pets or no guns will find somewhere else to live.