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All Forum Posts by: Jack B.

Jack B. has started 419 posts and replied 1844 times.

Post: Rent back out, or 1031 exchange? Here or Florida?

Jack B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
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Originally posted by @Chris Martin:

@Jack B. In 2015, we cashed out what we had in CA and moved to Lutz. We found the house online and got it under contract without ever seeing it. 2800 sq ft custom home on a acre with granite upgrades, etc. surrounded by other 1 AC custom homes. No HOA, no deed restrictions. Rural feel, but 10 minutes from Home Depot. Beautiful area and no one telling us what to do. $350k. One thing you'll notice if you move from Seattle, like we did from CA is how great you can live for so much less.

We bought a mobile home park in 2016 and have done significant value ad. We are in the process of finishing up a $400k flip. The opportunities are still here, but not the easy pickings we found in 2016. I became a realtor to help with my investments. There are a couple of well attended REIA's where you will find some good contacts. Just beware of finding a decent contractor. They are either a month out on schedules or the other 80% are at the beach and won't show up when they say. That's a real problem here. I've put together a pretty good team now, but it will take you some time to do that if you decide to invest here. Feel free to PM me if you want anything more specific.

Thank you for making your first post such an insightful one. I realllly appreciate it. Looking forward to meeting up sometime if I end up moving there. I'll be there visiting very soon.

Post: Anybody ever done an irrevocable trust?

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
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Originally posted by @Daniel McNulty:

@Jack B.

First, why are you considering irrevocable trusts? These are normally used in estate and tax planning more so than just your average protection scenario.

Secondly, If you are worried about the safeguarding of your trust assets, hire third party, professional trustee and administrators. Have your attorney draw up the trust but rely on a custodian to safeguard the assets.

Because this is the most recommended option I see in my research, it's a tactic in damn near every article on asset protection. Wyoming IR Trusts. 

 What's to prevent the trustee that is third party from stealing the money?

I replied to your PM, let's talk. I'm looking to move forward with a decision on this soon. If you have other options, I'm open to hear them.

Key things for me are:

1) Preventing the trust assets from being lost to a lawsuit

2) Preventing anyone who oversees the trust from stealing the money.

3) Being able to buy investments with money from the trust. Such as rentals (mortgaged ideally), stocks, etc.

I've read about land trusts, but they don't work with a mortgage with most lenders from what I've read. And they largely rely on anonymity to protect you. Not bullet proof enough.

Post: Anybody ever done an irrevocable trust?

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
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Originally posted by @Christopher Smith:
Originally posted by @Jack B.:
Originally posted by @Christopher Smith:

You're dealing with an attorney who you are worried might "steal the money", very interesting relationship

 Educate yourself....some attorneys have been charged with stealing well over 100 million in real estate transactions related to 1031 exchanges alone....

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr...

And it's rather common for attorneys to steal trust assets. 

https://rmolawyers.com/family-...

Ignorance will result in your money being lost if you think all attorneys are to be trusted. Show a little more sophistication.

And inexcusable stupidity would be the retaining of an attorney without the necessary background due diligence,

the self acknowledged ignorance is exclusively your's my friend.

 You are apparently really ignorant. What exactly do you think the point of this thread is Genius? It's to find out the facts vs what the attorney I met with told me. Where did I self acknowledge ignorance? I specifically corrected the guy above who made claims that were entirely untrue. Each and every one of his claims. Somehow that means I'm not only ignorant, but self acknowledging I'm ignorant. What a joke. Go away troll. You add literally nothing to this thread and your very existence is a waste of time.

Post: Rent back out, or 1031 exchange? Here or Florida?

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
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Originally posted by @Alex Olson:

@Jack B. I would keep what you have for now, find a reasonable rental property to buy in FL. See if you like the rental market in Florida, then sell all of your property in Seattle, move to FL and buy rental property in FL. Assuming you like everything about FL. Hope that helps. 

This is the rare, sensible advice you find on BP. I wrote it all on paper the other day and ran through it with my gf. Told her the exact same thing. Before I liquidate here or begin buying elsewhere, I need to MOVE first. Try that place out for size, maybe buy one rental, see how I like it THERE, THEN decide about selling here and buying more there. 

Phil Pustejovsky (sp) moved from TN to FL and did the same thing. He feels it's best to be near your properties where you can drive by them to see what's going on. I agree. I've read horror stories about PM's not doing jack and HO's driving by for a visit on a surprise trip and the place is trashed.

Post: Rent back out, or 1031 exchange? Here or Florida?

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
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Originally posted by @Sherief Elbassuoni:

@Jack B., I agree with you, the appreciation here in some areas in the Greater Seattle area is in the double digits. We still have good deals in here in the Seattle area, but we need to be a little creative. 

I also saw some AirBNB properties or rent by room are generating cash flow more than a small multi-family.

Where exactly in Florida do you think to move to? In general, Greater Seattle will appreciate more, but again, it all depends on the submarkets.

Please let me know if you have questions or if you want to chat more and we can have a call or coffee.

Best of luck!

 Agreed. I'd be looking to move to the Tampa area. I'm making my second trip there in a year soon to look at houses. Property taxes in Tampa are higher, but the appreciation is good. Lutz, just north of Tampa has good prices and rents, lower taxes but less appreciation of course.

Would love to connect and strategize. I'll message you on here to exchange info.

Post: Sell and buy again elsewhere or keep renting out?

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
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Originally posted by @Dave Spooner:

@Jack B. It depends in large part on your strategy. I also think it really depends on your tenants. If you tend to attract high quality tenants and the cash flow is good, unless you have a high market price available to you, I would probably hang onto it for the easy cash flow.

If you need money now for a homerun investment, it makes sense to sell of course.

If you aren't already using it, I would strongly suggest checking out property management software. There are plenty of free platforms out there (like Cozy or Innago) that won't hurt your pocketbook but will automate a lot of the processes. I know landlords that self-manage with hundreds of units and a limited or non-existent staff. It sounds crazy, but it is very possible and doesn't need to cause huge headaches.

One last note, a great way to help you time an exit is an MIRR analysis. It's a lot to go into here, but I encourage you to research it if you're curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

 I can tell you didn't actually read my post because I specifically noted I'm sitting on a lot of cash from recent cash out refinances. All you did is plug your software that this thread is NOTHING about. This forum has really become a joke of people peddling their software, realtor services or whatever other garbage rather than interacting on the topics posted...

Post: Rent back out, or 1031 exchange? Here or Florida?

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
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I've done a few 1031 exchanges. I'm considering doing 2 more. Two of my rentals are becoming vacant in 1 and 2 months. They are my lowest performing properties appreciation wise, pretty good rent increases though. I'm considering selling them and repurchasing here in the greater Seattle area (not IN the city though) or out of state such as Tampa.


They are NOT currently located in Seattle, just outside in the burbs. Here I get better MUCH appreciation. In Florida I get more landlord friendly laws and I want to relocate there anyways. That said, I just cash out refinanced 4 of my rentals and am sitting on cash. I wanted to buy more but have not decided whether here or in Florida, and whether I want to move to Florida. Previously I had decided that I would keep properties here due to appreciation. Adding a property manager layer is expensive but helps asset protection wise. Here is a far higher return appreciation and cash flow wise. Another reason I have not bought NEW properties yet is because I'm waiting to see what the market looks like when forbearance ends and foreclosures begin...

So what to do?

A) Keep renting the properties out at a higher rent? (Rent went up a lot recently).

B) Sell and buy a higher performing property with each via 1031?

C) Sell and buy in Florida where I MAY want to move? Going on a trip there again soon to evaluate further...

D) What else?

Of course I'm still sitting on cash I had before the cash out refinances, not to mention cash from the refinances...waiting for 1) a small dip and 2) making up my mind about here or Florida.

I'm leaning to here, as I can make more money here NOW and am not decided on Florida and unlikely to move within 2 years. Even once I move I may keep the properties here at least temporarily to make sure Florida was not a mistake. Even then, I may keep them here for the better appreciation.


Thoughts?

Post: Sell and buy again elsewhere or keep renting out?

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
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I've done a few 1031 exchanges. I'm considering doing 2 more. Two of my rentals are becoming vacant in 1 and 2 months. They are my lowest performing properties appreciation wise, pretty good rent increases though. I'm considering selling them and repurchasing here in the greater Seattle area (not IN the city though) or out of state such as Tampa. 


They are NOT currently located in Seattle, just outside in the burbs. Here I get better MUCH appreciation and lower property taxes. In Florida I get more landlord friendly laws and I want to relocate there anyways. That said, I just cash out refinanced 4 of my rentals and am sitting on cash. I wanted to buy more but have not decided whether here or in Florida, and whether I want to move to Florida. Previously I had decided that I would keep properties here due to appreciation. Adding a property manager layer is expensive but helps asset protection wise. Here is a far higher return appreciation and cash flow wise. Another reason I have not bought NEW properties yet is because I'm waiting to see what the market looks like when forbearance ends and foreclosures begin...

So what to do?

A) Keep renting the properties out at a higher rent? (Rent went up a lot recently).

B) Sell and buy a higher performing property with each via 1031?

C) Sell and buy in Florida where I MAY want to move? Going on a trip there again soon to evaluate further...

D) What else?

Post: Anybody ever done an irrevocable trust?

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 1,888
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Originally posted by @Brian Boyd:

The attorney doesn't control the money. The trustee controls the money. 

You do not control anything about the trust if it is irrevocable. 

Given your questions, I think you should go meet with an attorney to get a better understanding of what lawyers do. 

 I didn't say I didn't talk to one, in fact I did. I'm verifying what he told me. And the information you gave is almost entirely inaccurate. Your board of directors can approve distributions you apply for. So yes, you can take money back out. You can also name yourself as a beneficiary, so again, you are incorrect.

Last but not least, irrevocable trusts can't be revoked, that's true....but they are amendable...

Last but not least, they attorneys who oversee the trust have access to the assets. It's actually rather common for them to steal trust funds https://rmolawyers.com/family-...

Do you actually know anything about these things? Seems like I have a better understanding of what lawyers do and how these work than you do...not sure why you felt the need to post inaccurate information on a topic you clearly know NOTHING about.

Post: Anybody ever done an irrevocable trust?

Jack B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 1,888
  • Votes 1,047
Originally posted by @Christopher Smith:

You're dealing with an attorney who you are worried might "steal the money", very interesting relationship

 Educate yourself....some attorneys have been charged with stealing well over 100 million in real estate transactions related to 1031 exchanges alone....

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr...

And it's rather common for attorneys to steal trust assets. 

https://rmolawyers.com/family-...

Ignorance will result in your money being lost if you think all attorneys are to be trusted. Show a little more sophistication.