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All Forum Posts by: Jack B.

Jack B. has started 419 posts and replied 1844 times.

Post: Check my numbers, thinking of eating the tax

Jack B.Posted
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  • Seattle, WA
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Post: How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?

Jack B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Jack B.:
Originally posted by @Michael P.:

Get rich or die tryin. What some lefty kids think doesn’t affect my mission.

 With the growing cancel entitlement, and the demand to "cancel rent" I'd be worried. I really think these people have the IQ of a wild animal, to think landlords are going to buy 500K+ houses and pay the expenses for them so they can live for free. Complete and utter idiocy...

I really wish the politicians had an education in actual business and economics, and I'm not talking about the Bartender turned politician with an economics degree, that lady can't do basic math on her phone, let alone calculate 25 step micro economic equations.

More than 40% of landlords in Seattle in 2018 sold or were selling their rentals when UW did a study, as a result of more socialist policies that stripped landlords of the right to screen, raise rent or evict bad tenants. I'm sure it's even worse now with moratoriums. I am selling my properties and moving the money to Florida. Guess that happens as more and more landlords escape this ridiculous socialist ideology: there will be less supply, demand will increase or stay the same and rental prices will skyrocket, having the exact opposite effect of these politicians best wishes...creating more homelessness.

Jack,  why sell if rents are going to sky rocket .. and move to areas of the country were rents remain stable IE don't raise much and the renter class is already totally entrenched IE 50% of the population or more rents compared to west coast were that number is quite albeit less. ???   Maybe the political winds will favor the landlord that enjoys the sky rocketing rents ( if thats what happens)

Along with you have many of us in the RE business that came from humble beginnings. I personally never ate government cheese but until my Dad found real estate in the middle to late 60s our life was one of any number of the renter class.. And my daughter was the first in our family to graduate Collage and that has landed her an executive position at Intel and total financial security before she was 40 with ZERO help from dear ole dad. !!!

1) Eviction moratoriums, even people who are still working and unaffected by COVID are not required to pay rent due to our idiot Governor. So skyrocketing rents don't help when they don't pay. 

2) Our legislature is trying to make evictions illegal....they are looking for a way to exit the moratorium without anyone being responsible for back rent or losing "their" free home paid for by the new breed of government freebie: forced free housing at the landlords expense. They want to make evictions a crime now...absolute idiocy.

3) I don't make my money off rents, most of my properties appreciate 50-100K a year each depending on the year. This is not a cash flow market, you know that, although I do cash flow well, that's peanuts compared to the appreciation that I keep 1031 exchanging into more rentals. I just went under contract for two new ones in fact, one of which is another lake front property but in Florida this time... :-)

Post: How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?

Jack B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Michael P.:

Get rich or die tryin. What some lefty kids think doesn’t affect my mission.

 With the growing cancel entitlement, and the demand to "cancel rent" I'd be worried. I really think these people have the IQ of a wild animal, to think landlords are going to buy 500K+ houses and pay the expenses for them so they can live for free. Complete and utter idiocy...

More than 40% of landlords in Seattle in 2018 sold or were selling their rentals when UW did a study, as a result of more socialist policies that stripped landlords of the right to screen, raise rent or evict bad tenants. I'm sure it's even worse now with moratoriums. I am selling my properties and moving the money to Florida. Guess that happens as more and more landlords escape this ridiculous socialist ideology: there will be less supply, demand will increase or stay the same and rental prices will skyrocket, having the exact opposite effect of these politicians best wishes...creating more homelessness. 

Post: How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?

Jack B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Carl Mathis:

There really needs to be a way to report an entire thread, the inappropriate, naive, and downright shameful in this thread is horrifying. Could the mods just delete this? The fundamental reasoning errors (logical fallacies) are out of control. I mean seriously you guys.

Do you own this forum? You an just hit the back button, the rest of us successful people really want to see how we can protect ourselves from entitlement mentality. 

What you're asking is basically the equivalent of cancelling a landlord because you don't like the rental or the landlord. SO leave and go rent somewhere else...

Same concept applies here, if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to read it....

Post: Check my numbers, thinking of eating the tax

Jack B.Posted
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Lived in it from2013 to 2015, then rented it out until 2018 at which point I moved back in for 2 years. Total time rented, about 4 years, total time lived in, about 4 years.

Bought 145K plus 5K closing costs, sold 416K.

Put new roof and water heater on for 14K to adjust my basis

25K selling costs.

10K depreciation.

By my calculations I have 217K that I divide by .5 to get 108.5 that I owe capital gains and depreciation recapture on, correct?

(145+5-10+14=154K) then (416-25-154 = 217) then 217/2 = 108.5

I make 308K a year W2 income. I'm expecting to pay 23% capital gains with the Obama care surcharge. Worth it or not? After 10 years of being a landlord of multiple properties, I've considered getting rid of them starting with this one rather than 1031 exchanging anymore. The have nots want what we worked for, cancel rent, live for free, but landlord you must pay and fix things in this 800K house you provide me for free....

Post: Sell and repurchase or rent back out for now?

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I've had the property for 8 years. Did a cash out refinance on it recently along with others. The house got a new roof a year ago because it was ready to fail. Plumbing and appliances as well as paint will need upgrading soon too.

It will cost me 20K in transaction costs to sell it and 5K to purchase another. I'd be doing a 1031 exchange. 

I'd spend at least that to replace the furnace, galvanized plumbing, carpet, paint, etc. in the near future IF I don't sell. The neighborhood is also declining and between cap ex and the decline I'm considering getting out of this house to reinvest in a better area. It has basically hit a plateau appreciation wise for the last 4 or so years. 

Sell and reinvest or keep it a while longer? 

Post: Capital Gains Tax free exit from rentals: it is possible

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Originally posted by @Ashish Acharya:
Originally posted by @Jack B.:

Well, not entirely, but you can shield more of it.

I'm going to use a very round and specific example to demonstrate this concept. Check my understanding of the tax law on this.

Let's say you make x a year. You want to sell your rentals, and you will get some money in capital gains. You will owe money on that gain, 15% capital gains based on the tax bracket you're in from W2 inome. Talking LONG TERM capital gains tax rate, which as I understand it, does not affect your tax rate as it does not get added to your ordinary tax rate from say, W2 income etc.

So why not take a year off, literally from January 1st to December 31st, live off your rental income/savings, basically let's say 50K that you would otherwise save, take a year long sabbatical/vacation of a lifetime doing nothing or road tripping, and show low enough income on your taxes the next year that you owe ZERO capital gains taxes. Yes, you spent 50K of rental income and savings mixed so that you could maintain your lifestyle but still show low taxable income (tax advantaged rental income). But you saved money on capital gains taxes, so you still come out with a largely free vacation. You spent what you saved in say, capital gains, on vacation.

The beauty of this is that not only do you come out WAY ahead tax wise despite living with no W2 income for a year, you got a vacation, loooong one, and because rental income is tax advantaged, if your properties show as a loss despite being cash flow positive and you have enough of them, you could basically live off the rental income alone and pay ZERO taxes, and NOT have to dip into savings for that 50K living expense that year. You need enough properties to do this but it's doable.

Thoughts?

Keep in mind that once you move into a tax bracket of 15 or 20% tax bracket upon a sale of too many properties in one yes, you still owe capital gains on the portion above the tax bracket that owes 15%+ capital gains. But you do reduce your overall tax by nearly 6K. The end result. You either take a year off free with zero capital gains tax, because you spent that money living instead. So financially you are the same as you were before the sale, but you got a year off instead of paying it in taxes. 

There are so many other factors that goes into quitting job than just tax. I don’t think people would quit job to save taxes. 

Also, who would quit 50k job to save 6k in capital gain tax? 
 

 That's not what I said, you misread or misunderstood the scenario. I didn't say a 50K a year job. I said let's say that's your living expense, covered by rental income. I said your income is X a year....

Nor did I say that's all you save.....

Again, you misread and misunderstood all of what I posted.

Post: Seeking Biggest Mistakes and Lessons Learned Stories (Again!)

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Rented to a tenant who wanted to move in right away. I still did a background and credit check, but I did not check references. They moved in that night. Next day I find out WHY they were so eager to move in that night. After I got them out 6 weeks later, it was even more obvious what their scam was. BUT....I scammed them not the other way around. I got to legally keep their money. My lease structure and the state law on property abandonment and rent being mine when they abandon was key. Month to month leases only!

Another time I had a tenant move out in the middle of winter. It dropped to 9 degrees Fahrenheit. The galvanized pipes stopped working. 4.5K for replumbing the house (1 bathroom, kitchen, water heater and washer) plus 1K for drywall and paint...and I had just painted....

Hiring contractors....without a contract that stipulates the terms of the deal.

Luckily most of the mistakes I read today were 5-10K mistakes, that's easy to swallow but not ideal. At least it's easy to swallow once you've been in this a while and realize how much money you can make/make.

Post: Capital Gains Tax free exit from rentals: it is possible

Jack B.Posted
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Well, not entirely, but you can shield more of it.

I'm going to use a very round and specific example to demonstrate this concept. Check my understanding of the tax law on this.

Let's say you make x a year. You want to sell your rentals, and you will get some money in capital gains. You will owe money on that gain, 15% capital gains based on the tax bracket you're in from W2 inome. Talking LONG TERM capital gains tax rate, which as I understand it, does not affect your tax rate as it does not get added to your ordinary tax rate from say, W2 income etc.

So why not take a year off, literally from January 1st to December 31st, live off your rental income/savings, basically let's say 50K that you would otherwise save, take a year long sabbatical/vacation of a lifetime doing nothing or road tripping, and show low enough income on your taxes the next year that you owe ZERO capital gains taxes. Yes, you spent 50K of rental income and savings mixed so that you could maintain your lifestyle but still show low taxable income (tax advantaged rental income). But you saved money on capital gains taxes, so you still come out with a largely free vacation. You spent what you saved in say, capital gains, on vacation.

The beauty of this is that not only do you come out WAY ahead tax wise despite living with no W2 income for a year, you got a vacation, loooong one, and because rental income is tax advantaged, if your properties show as a loss despite being cash flow positive and you have enough of them, you could basically live off the rental income alone and pay ZERO taxes, and NOT have to dip into savings for that 50K living expense that year. You need enough properties to do this but it's doable.

Thoughts?

Keep in mind that once you move into a tax bracket of 15 or 20% tax bracket upon a sale of too many properties in one yes, you still owe capital gains on the portion above the tax bracket that owes 15%+ capital gains. But you do reduce your overall tax by nearly 6K. The end result. You either take a year off free with zero capital gains tax, because you spent that money living instead. So financially you are the same as you were before the sale, but you got a year off instead of paying it in taxes. 

Post: Capital Gains Tax free exit from rentals: it is possible

Jack B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 1,888
  • Votes 1,047

Well, not entirely, but you can shield more of it.

I'm going to use a very round and specific example to demonstrate this concept. Check my understanding of the tax law on this.

Let's say you make X a year. You want to sell your rentals, and you will get some money in capital gains. You will owe money on that gain, 15% capital gains based on the tax bracket you're in from W2 inome. Talking LONG TERM capital gains tax rate, which as I understand it, does not affect your tax rate as it does not get added to your ordinary tax rate from say, W2 income etc.

So why not take a year off, literally from January 1st to December 31st, live off your rental income/savings, basically let's say 50K that you would otherwise save, take a year long sabbatical/vacation of a lifetime doing nothing or road tripping, and show low enough income on your taxes the next year that you owe ZERO capital gains taxes. Yes, you spent 50K of rental income and savings mixed so that you could maintain your lifestyle but still show low taxable income (tax advantaged rental income). But you saved money on capital gains taxes, so you still come out with a largely free vacation. You spent what you saved in say, capital gains, on vacation.

The beauty of this is that not only do you come out WAY ahead tax wise despite living with no W2 income for a year, you got a vacation, loooong one, and because rental income is tax advantaged, if your properties show as a loss despite being cash flow positive and you have enough of them, you could basically live off the rental income alone and pay ZERO taxes, and NOT have to dip into savings for that 50K living expense that year. You need enough properties to do this but it's doable.

Thoughts?

Keep in mind that once you move into a tax bracket of 15 or 20% tax bracket upon a sale of too many properties in one yes, you still owe capital gains on the portion above the tax bracket that owes 15%+ capital gains. But you do reduce your overall tax by nearly 6K. The end result. You either take a year off free with zero capital gains tax, because you spent that money living instead. So financially you are the same as you were before the sale, but you got a year off instead of paying it in taxes.