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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 4 posts and replied 966 times.

Post: New Member Introduction

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Funny!!! You say you want to start investing in real estate so you can retire young. I've been investing in real estate since about 1963, met thousands of successful investors and have never known a successful investor who packed away his business tools and retired.

A high percent of investors work for the wrong reasons. Entrepreneurs work because they have a passion for the products and services they provide and the money they earn is a biproduct rather than a goal.

Post: First Multi-family purchase

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Your post tells absolutely nothing about the property value, discount value, location value, present income nor future potential.

Since you asked the question I am guessing that you are taking on much more than you can handle. If you don't have the business experience and savvy it is dangerous to rely on the investors you bring in for any type of good advice or help. Don't trust anybody when it comes to advice regarding your money. Trust only yourself and if you have to ask others for advice regarding whether or not a property is suited for you then you are not qualified to risk your money in real estate. Invest your money only when you are so positive you don't have to ask for advice. Don't trust advice from real estate agents or brokers when it comes to investing your money. Don't invest until you know how to do the math to analyze your profits 10 years out including rental income, rent increases and appreciation. If you rely on others to help with the math you are putting yourself at great risks.

Post some real numbers and information about the properties. A few years ago, properties in the Memphis area were super cheap and many landlords were selling 20+ homes in portfolios for $40k per home. While those prices sound super low compared to the average national prices you have to consider that the tenants could barely afford to pay their rent and Memphis is known as the Eviction Capital of the World. So, don't get excited until after you have crunched the numbers a few hundred times. 

Most investors spend most of their time calculating rewards when they should spend most of their time calculating risks.

Post: If BRRRR numbers don't work, should I flip?

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All comments are too general and only accurate numbers can answer the questions. My take on what you are saying is; you have some sort of feeling the market will go south so you would rather walk away from high-end flips and do low-end flips. In that case, when would you ever feel comfortable to do high-end flips.

Personally, I think there is too much b.s. from people who claim they make a good profit from flipping houses. I go to many real estate club meetings and even the best flippers turning over more than 10 properties per month claim they earn from $3,000 to $10,000 per property they flip and every flipper tells stories about the flips where that lost a lot of money.

Earning $3,000 to $10,000 on a flip and then losing money on a few is a pathetic way to invest in real estate when smart investing can earn a solid $10,000 to an unlimited amount with no stinky $3,000 profit and no pathetic losses.

I just don't believe no where near as many flippers are as profitable as they claim to be and I would love to be a fly on the wall when they are doing their books.

Again, as I say in every post, I've been investing in real estate more than 50 years and earned millions and millions of dollars. I will look at 100 or 200 properties before making a purchase and will crunch the numbers over and over until I am 100% positive that I am making the wisest of decisions. Sometimes, I can't find a property for 2 or 3 years, but when I do it is always a goldmine.

Be patient and wait like an alligator!

Post: Buying Small Multi-Fam

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"Not all money is good money"

Buying the wrong property comes with so many negatives the money you make is not worth what you lose mentally. I've been in the multi-unit market for more than 50 years and many investors who invest in undesirable neighborhoods are as crazy as their tenants and the outcomes are not pretty. .Dealing with undesirable properties and trailer trash tenants is not worth any amount of money when there are thousands of properties for sale that will make even more money.

Higher-end and more-desirable properties will always appreciate better than undesirable properties and the real money is made from appreciation and not the cashflow. One good property can appreciate better than 10 undesirable properties.

Before I purchase a property, I look as 100 to 200 properties before making a decision. Even as high as prices are in the Los Angeles area I just put a 6-unit property in escrow for $1,750,000 ($292,000 per unit). The property is in a total working-class Hispanic area and my 10-year calculations based on my worse-case numbers is I will earn including cashflow, rent increases and appreciation no less than $147,000 per year and if things go well we will earn close to $2 million or $200,000 per year for 10 years.

My point about telling about my recent purchase is; if you want to make the most-profitable investments then don't let anxiety block success. Many investors are so impatient their money burns holes in their pockets. Sometimes, I have several properties in escrow at the same time. Sometimes, I can't find an investment for 2 or 3 years even when I look every day.

Post your numbers for this property with a realistic explanation of why your management company does not want to manage the property.

Post: Paying off student debt vs. starting my REI journey

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The first thing I would do before paying one penny on my school debt is I would look 24/7 for a business opportunity that could make enough money to pay off my school debt. I totally disagree with paying off the debt first if you have what it takes.

Suppose, this virus ends, brats start going to school and you rent a 4 bedroom house you can sub rent to 8 college brats for $800 each per month. That should pay off your school debt real quick.

The part of your post that scares me is where you mention a partner. I can write for hours about the disasters that happen with partnerships.

Post: Long-term Outlook For California

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I am from Springfield Massachusetts and moved to California 47 years ago. I live the Los Angeles area because it is never too hot, never too cold and everything is so close you can go swimming and skiing in snow on the same day.

This has been the greatest and simplest place to become a multi-millionaire during the past 47 years because of the millions of people and diverse ethnic groups. California is still the best place I've seen to make money in real estate. While properties in other states sell for less than $200k there is no spread to make a profit. In California, the same type house that sells in other states for $200k sells for $1 million and there is often a profit spread of $100k or even $300k if you get a sweet deal and there are plenty of them if you look.

The huge downside , and I would never move, is the constant increase for taxes taxes, the high cost, difficulty and insane time it takes to get building permits approved, the cost for gasoline is the highest in the country and the cost to rent an apartment is more than the mortgage and property taxes to buy a house in other states. 

There are homeless people on literally every street corner, in front of every donut shop and they camp in groups of hundreds everywhere they want and nobody does anything about them. They poop on sidewalks in plain view with no shame and nobody does anything. They camp in front of and on the side of multi-million dollar homes, throw tons of trash everywhere and the only thing the cities do is they send crews to remove the trash.

I am always guessing that there is a reason properties and other things cost less in other states and I think that reason is because it is not as easy to make millions of dollars in other states. Not saying there are not a lot of millionaires in other states. I think you have to be really lacking in some areas if you can't become a millionaire in California. Millions of people in California become millionaires, accidentally.

Post: How much money should I save before buying my First property?

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It looks like you ran into a bunch of idiots. You said you purchased a condo for THE MARKET PRICE of $160k with a $1,000 deposit. It that is true, then you did not purchase the property. You only tied it up with a $1,000 deposit and if the fools your sold it to fell through you could have lost your $1,000 deposit. Unless, the seller's agent was a serious fool, which according to your story, she was.

Then, some you assigned the property to some other fool who paid you $15,000 for this property with a Market Price of $160,000 that he was going to sell to the 4th fool involved in this deal for $175,000 with an insane rate of 7% for a 30-year loan of $85,00 because he has a suitcase full of money and would rather pay double the interest rather than deal with a bank.

If the party paid you $15,000 to find the deal then he had to recover his $15,000 and I hope he was smart enough to add a little for a profit.

If you purchased the property from an experienced real estate agent, as you claim, then how much money did she earn for selling the property, or was she the owner of the condo which would make her really stupid for doing this unconventional deal.

How much did everyone really make and how much did the buyer really pay. 

You made $15,000
The person you assigned it to should have made as much as you = $15,000
The real estate agent should have earned 5% = $8,750
Closing costs $5,000
Purchase Price $175,000

Total buyer paid $210,000 for a $160,000 condo + double the interest rate. That doesn't make sense. If the buyer put $90,000 he would have to finance $120,000 at 7%.

Post: How much money should I save before buying my First property?

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How much money do you need?

I will tell the story again about the 21-year old Japanese girl who ran away from Japan to the United States because her parents constantly beat her and according to her; in Japan it is common for the law to do nothing when parents beat their children.

When I met her she was already in the United States for only seven years, was single, never had a job with the exception of babysitting, never had a driver's license and never had a vehicle. She saved $7,000 and bought a co-op apartment in downtown Los Angeles for $30,000 with a friend. Her friend invested $7,000 and she invested $7,000.

One year after investing in the co-op, her friend moved back to Japan and she bought her friend out for a small amount of cash. Can't remember how much.. She saved a little more money from babysitting, took money out of the co-op and purchased her first condo in Torrance California. Torrance is a fairly high-priced area in California.

She rented the condo (more of a townhouse style) to about 12 Japanese college students. She had kids living in closets, the laundry room and the living room. She took money out of the condo and purchased a brand new 4-bedroom home in Gardena California about 1/2 mile from El Camino College and rented the home to about 12 college students.

When I met this girl she was already in the United States for only seven years, owned 15 properties including one in Las Vegas, Victorville California and I did the math and figured if she cashed out she was worth $2.3 million, at the age of only 28-years old.

I have another friend who owns more than 6,000 apartment units in the Los Angeles, Torrance and Long Beach areas. I met him 45 years ago and he was an engineer for an aerospace company. Were both buying properties, but I knew nothing and was buying single-family homes. He was buying multi-unit properties and I was working on his properties doing plumbing and construction upgrades. Today, he still purchases one large multi-unit apartment building every month. He started 45 years ago by purchasing a few buildings with his money. Since he is from Pakistan, he has a huge network of Pakistani investors and his followers throw money at him like he is a god. Today, he is a syndicator.

You don't need a lot of money to get rich in real estate. You do need qualities that very few people have e.g. the ability to understand and see a clear path that will result in reaching you projection. Most people have good projections, but they don't have one quality or skill to reach that projection Put another way. Most people don't have the qualities it takes to reach their goals because they don't have what it takes to foresee what will and what will not work properly when it comes to being business savvy.

For example, again. The Japanese girl could see what she had to do very clearly and her business she knew exactly what she had to do to make her business model work. My Pakistani friend understands the power of the numbers for multi-unit properties. When people come to me with ideas I know from the start that most people don't have a clue about managing properties, how to repair them, how to find and evict tenants, how to do simple math to know where they are going, how to do the books and after one or two insignificant problems with tenants they hate tenants with a passion and they hate the rental business.

I see a high percent of people wanting to get rich in the real estate business, but my opinion is that is the worst way to think when it comes to making money. Most people I know who made a lot of money, including myself, really don't make a lot of money because we have deep desires to be rich. We make a lot of money because we love being entrenepeurs. We love trying to figure new ways to make our businesses work better. We don't get excited when we make a lot of money. We get excited when new things we try give us better results just like some people get excited when they solve crossword puzzles that don't pay any money.

Everyone wants to be a millionaire, but I always say we can't take the money with us when we leave this world. As long as we have enough food to eat and a dry place to sleep we are okay. Ten thousand dollars in the bank or a million dollars makes no difference as long as we have the necessities to live comfortably.

I have more than enough money to retire and even gave my children about 18 houses that were paid off. I live in a commercial building with my wife and two children on concrete floor with no furniture and I love it. My Japanese friend lives in one of her condos, still has no driver's license and she has a college student living in her bedroom closet. My Pakistani friend lives in a 1200 sq ft modest house and he drives a small car that is about 25 years old. He is worth more than $100 million.

My point to all this is; stop trying to get rich with real estate and spend your energy just trying to get the knowledge and experience you need, FIRST. Anxiety is the biggest killer for both business ventures and our bodies. Anxiety, which is also in the form of the wanting to be rich, inhibits our vision to see a clear path. My Japanese friend did not become rich fast because she wanted to be rich fast. She became rich because she did not have anxiety that would have caused her to make poor judgments. 

Today, my Japanese friend is worth about $30 million, is still single, still lives in a bedroom with a college student living in her closet and still has no driver's license. Many people tell me that people like her are crazy, but for people like her, my Pakistani friend and myself, we are the sane people because we are not in the business to make money and at the same time we know that with our philosophies we will make and give away more money every year than most people can make in a lifetime.

My last point. I meet many people who want to get into real estate every day to get rich and they have less than 1% of the needs to be successful. They know real estate makes some people a lot of money, but they don't have what it takes to do the math, see clearly, make good business decisions, buy the right properties, manage the properties and almost every one of these wannabe investors rely on advice from other people and brokers who don't know what they are doing and have different agenda that don't align, at all.

What is the herd doing. The herd buys properties that make negative cash flow to an annual 5% return on your money, if you are the lucky investor in the herd. You can listen to the herd, take your chances and make from losing money to a small amount, or you can keep your money in your pocket until you know what a sure-thing is and how to find the sure-thing where you can make 50% to 100% on your money, every year.

For 5% annual return, or a $200 to $300 per month cash flow property where I have to invest $50,000+ with hundreds of hours of work to purchase and manage, I will be far ahead when keeping my money in my pocket and wipe tables at Mc Donalds since minimum wage in many areas is $15 per hour and I can earn an extra $400 to $600 per week, or $20,000 to $30,000 per year vs. earning $3600 per year on a whim that came with anxiety and will put me in an early grave. 

I say all this because people constantly ask how much money they need to get started in real estate and the answer is not about 'how much money you need'. You can already be a millionaire and lose a lot of money. You are not ready to start in real estate with any amount of money until you get to the point where you can tell other people the answer to the questions you ask rather than asking the question. 

BOTTOM LINE: Keep your money in your pocket until you see a clear path and find your sure-thing where you are so positive it is your sure thing you will not have to ask anyone for their opinion or advice. You will be able to tell the experts what is right and wrong because you should never every trust the opinions of others or brokers because other people have their own agendas that seldom align.

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Post: How to loose 30k on flipping in Columbus Ohio warning to Newbie

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This thread is the reason most of my tell people not to trust broker and professionals advisors. I always tell everyone if you trust what other people tell you then you are not ready to invest your money in real estate, in the stock market, in a business venture or even in the bank.

You are only ready to invest your money when you know so much about the business that you can tell people what is right and wrong rather than having to ask for advice.

RULE # 1 - Never trust someone else to handle your money.

RULE # 2 - Never believe that another person knows more about how to invest your money than you do.

Rule # 3 - Never trust a broker, account, CPA, so-called professional advisor (whatever the .... that is)

Rule # 4 - Never cross your fingers. If you are not 1,000% positive keep your money in your pocket.

Rule # 5 - Crunch the number for a deal 50+ times. If you can't do the math yourself then you are not ready.

You are lucky you are losing only $30k because that is a cheap lesson and an amount that will not take long to recover for even low-income earners. It is probably the best and least-expensive lesson you will learn about investing.

The bright side is; I bet you will follow my rules even without reading them and do much better in the future.

I wish you the best (not of luck) on your next venture. 'Not of luck' because you have to abide by the 5 rules and investing based on luck is not in the list.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

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The numbers look terrific and I would do this deal every day and all day long as long as there are not bad factors in this deal that are not related to the numbers.

Your profile make is appear you are in the San Francisco area and I would like to know where how you can gat a 2200 sq ft property for $249,000 that rents for $2900 per month. Something looks out-of-whack!

If you offer me this property I will tell you the numbers are the best I've seen in years, but I need to know more about the property e.g. where it is located in relation to where you are, how accurate is your estimate for rental income, who is managing the property, what is the rental market like for vacancies, what is the area like for evictions, etc..

It still looks like a great deal, but we don't live in an ideal world.