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All Forum Posts by: James Brown

James Brown has started 2 posts and replied 19 times.

Originally posted by @Mel Hayes:

@James Brown He's applying as a single occupant but has a spouse? Confused.

HI Mel - yes he is applying as a single occupant. He is moving to IL for his new job, but his spouse has to stay in a different state (at least for now) for her job.

Originally posted by @Patrick Page:

I would get clarity on their situation. Find out if this person will be living at the property by themselves or with someone else. If they are living by themselves then I would ask for a few recent pay stubs as proof of income. If they do not have paystubs you can ask for their supervisor or someone in HR that you can call to verify their employment and salary. If this person will be living with someone else, definitely have this other person apply. Either way you need to have a clear financial picture of all applicants so you can make sure you are protecting your asset; your rental property.

Thank you Patrick. This makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by @Scott M.:

Missing very key info and that is are they both going to be living in your home?  You said you got an application from him...that makes me assume you didn't from her.  As I read other responses this seems to be a question everyone has.  

If they are both living there and both over 18 they both should be named tenants unless there is some extenuating circumstances you are not sharing, so both should fill out an app and both should provide proof of their individual income.  

That is how I would handle it. 

Thanks Scott and apologize for not explaining it well in my first post. As I explained in my other responses, only the applicant himself will be renting. 

Originally posted by @Theresa Harris:

Does he have pay stubs in his name that show how much of the income on the joint return is his?

Thanks Theresa. Yes he showed me his pay stubs as well. It appears that his spouse contributes to majority of their household income. HIS income is slightly less than 2x of the rent, which is the income criteria I set.

Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@James Brown the first thing to understand it the spousal situation. They could be getting divorced, he could be moving for a job or she could be living with him. If they will be living together, she needs to apply to. If they are separated, be aware that income now needs to support two households. Looking at it simplistically, you would cut that income in half. Have a direct discussion with him, because the reality is their income was supporting two people and one household in the past. Now their income is supporting two people and two households.

Thanks Joe. You are right that the only the applicant himself is renting, and the reason is exactly how you guessed - he is moving to IL for a job while his spouse had to stay in a different state for her job. His job pays an amount that is slightly lower than 2x of the rent (which is also my income criteria). Their total household income, on the other hand, is high enough to cover the rent even after I cut it in half. What do you think about this situation? Would you ask the spouse to sign the lease as well as a guarantor? 

Originally posted by @John Teachout:

Ask for pay stubs for "his" job. Scrutinize them as they're easily faked. Do you know why only one of the "couple" is going to be renting?

Thanks for your response. I was able to get his pay stubs, and his income barely meets my income criteria (2x rent). You are correct - only one of the couple (the applicant himself) will be renting. 

Originally posted by @Hunter Sawitzke:

Would the spouse also be renting/living at the same property? If so, I would have both fill out an application. If both persons meet all other criteria, I would let them sign and agree to the lease. Just make sure you have a joint and several liability clause in your lease.

Based on the application, the spouse will not be living in the same property. 

Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

Yes, I would ask for additional evidence to determine how much of that income is his.

I was able to get his pay-stub, which shows an amount that barely meets my income criteria (2x rent). It appears that his spouse is making a much higher amount than he does. He also provided his bank statement which shows an amount that can cover at least 6 months of rents. 

Hi everyone, I wanted to pick your brain on a question I run into lately. 

I recently listed an apartment for rent. One of the applicants applied for our apartment as a single applicant, but submitted a joint tax return (with his spouse) as proof of income. He also sent me a bank statement, which is in his name. Numbers all look great in the tax return and the bank statement, but I couldn't tell how much of that income is his. Everything else in his application looks great - very good credit score, good job, etc.

What would you do in this case? Would you ask for more proof of income, like pay stubs or job offer that's from/for him only? Would you ask for a co-signer (his spouse in this case) in the lease?


Thank you all very much in advance.

Post: Month to month tenants - keep or vacate

James BrownPosted
  • Investor
  • Berwyn, IL
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Ron Fletcher:

@James Brown

I had a similar situation. Bought a 4 plex in Illinois in ‘17. All were on month to month.

One was paying $25 less than the others. When I sat down on initial meet I explained that to him and he agreed to an increase. Then a few months later another moved out. I did a light Reno ie plank floor instead of the nasty carpet and paint. Raised rent $75. Couple months ago same thing, move out, light Reno, rerent at higher rate. That’s my advice especially with covid: If tenants are paying, keep them. Good tenants are hard to fine. Use natural move outs to upgrade and raise rents.

 This is very helpful Ron. Thank you!