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All Forum Posts by: Jameson Drew

Jameson Drew has started 6 posts and replied 65 times.

Post: My first multi-unit

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Muncie, New Castle, and similar cities seem a little "rough" to me, so it's great to hear somebody is making money in them!

 I'll take rough and cheap over easy and expensive any day.  Yeah, Muncie does have its share of problems, and I have similar stories to you, but as a whole Muncie seems to be bouncing back better than some smaller towns of similar size.

Post: My second (not as easy) multi-unit. Muncie, Indiana

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
  • Location: 619 W Howard St, Muncie, IN
  • Originally listed for $50,000, offer accepted by bank for $20,000 (cash)
  • 8 Units (2 2BD/1BA, 5 1BD/1BA, 1 Studio)
  • 4470sqft on a 7772sqft lot.
  • Taxes $1646 per year.
  • Assessed at $82,300, but appraises for $150,000.
  • All units individually metered and legal.
  • Built 1906, looks like it was renovated some time in the 80s.
  • Abandoned by original owner since 2012 for reasons unknown.
  • HVAC units intact.  Partially finished basement. Windows intact.
  • Interior...well...

I didnt want this building originally.  I had flown to Indiana to look at another property but the numbers didnt work out.  I was on my way out of town when my PM/Broker drove me passed this monstrosity.  I did a cursory inspection.  The asking price was just way too high, so I put in what I call a "screw you" bid of less than half the offering price.  There was may be a 5% chance it would be accepted.  And low-and-behold it was.

Lets just say, I've seen worse.  Each unit required around $5500-$6000 worth of rehab.  This is not including fixing an active roof leak on a rubber roof and repairing the common areas ($5000)

  • 8 units x $5500 + $5000 roof repair/common areas = $49,000 repair costs. (Or so I thought)
  • Potential rents ($3550 gross with all units rented) Five 1BD @ $400/unit. Two 2BD @ $600/unit and one $350 studio. Utilities separate excluding water $250/mo (est.)

Everything was pretty smooth until I hit a snag.  Namely, this guy.

***A WARNING TO INDIANA INVESTORS***

If you buy a commercial building with 60 amp breakers AND the power has been shut off for ANY reason, the electrical companies in the state WILL NOT turn your power back on unless you upgrade to 100 amp systems.  The reason being these old units tend to EXPLODE if left off the grid for too long.  I have had multiple in-person meetings with some electricity big wigs in the state to confirm this fact. That means the main panel and all the sub panels must be upgraded and signed off by Indiana Power (or whoever your provider is in state).  This applies to properties with 5 or more units only.  It is a state law apparently, so there is no real way to work around it  So the above got converted into this:

Breakers were moved to the exterior of the property due to permit restrictions.  All unit sub panels upgraded (some moved due to permit violations).

(You cant have your breaker boxes over stoves apparently.)  

  • Total added renovation costs $25,000.

Obviously not optimal, and my first major hiccup in the state.  It ended up being a blessing though, as during the whole ordeal I got to meet the Mayor of Muncie, Dennis Tyler who is very pro-gentrification of his town.  The town has a pilot program for investors to renovate the city's many abandoned properties.  At the moment, they are focused on renovating Muncie's historic core, which this property is a part.

So after six months (of mostly waiting for those electrical boxes and permits), two of the eight units are rented, bringing in $950 of monthly income.  The rest of the units should be online by next summer (hopefully).  One of the units is rented at a discount to an on-site manager, but the property is professionally managed by Complete Property Care, LLC.

I had some plans to completely renovate the kitchens of all the units, but now that has taken a back burner to just getting units online.  If anyone knows a decent company that will loan some cash for an 8 unit building owned free and clear, I would be more than happy to talk to them.  If not, its just going to be a slow slug fest towards completion.  Its cash flowing, and paying for itself finally.  Not optimal, but still a decent deal for an 8-unit building in my book.

Post: My first multi-unit

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @Edwin Gachinga:

@Jameson Drew Thanks for getting back, one more question. You had mentioned earlier that you had 30 units. I think that's just amazing, given the rent to purchase price ratio in the midwest. Are all your rentals in Muncie or do you have them spread out to Anderson, Indianapolis etc?

 I have a few in Anderson, but most of them are in Muncie.  Anderson is nice, I just happened to get most of my deals in Muncie.  Id recommend either area.  I dont have any in Indy.  The market is just too competitive these days, and I can get better rent for less price in Muncie.

Post: My first multi-unit

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Edwin Gachinga:

Really inspiring post Jameson. Those numbers are just awesome. Just wondering though, I was looking up Muncie, IN and it's a somewhat of a small town so I am curious how long you usually have to wait around for a new tenant when one of your units gets vacated? 

 Don't forget, it's also a college town! Not sure how far this one is from campus, but people seem to do well with college rentals in Indiana.

 This one would be a tad too far to be considered a viable school rental, but its a short drive to Ball State.  Anything northwest of the White River would be considered pure student rentals.  Other than graduate students, the undergrads dont live outside of walking distance of the school.

Post: My first multi-unit

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @Edwin Gachinga:

Really inspiring post Jameson. Those numbers are just awesome. Just wondering though, I was looking up Muncie, IN and it's a somewhat of a small town so I am curious how long you usually have to wait around for a new tenant when one of your units gets vacated? 

 It will vary by season.  Winter is pretty slow, but turn around for tenants is pretty quick due to the school and factories around the town.  I've never had a unit sit empty longer than 30 days.  Sometimes my PM will lower the deposit or drop the rent a tad, but they are always filled before the month is up.

Post: My first multi-unit

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @Scott Rist:

@Jameson Drew

Congrats on the deal!  I'm still curious has to how you found the deal.  DO you actively invest in this area?  Or do you look for deals all over the US?

I'm very interested in out of State investing and trying to find the best way to go about it.

Can you elaborate on that?  Thanks so much.

Scott Rist

I got it from the MLS. My PM/Broker who is local cued me into it. I primarily operate in this city exclusively. Why move when you have a system that works?

You can PM me if you want to know more.

Post: My first multi-unit

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @Allen Thomas:

*GASP* You got in and out of a deal for under 30K? Unbelievable. Lol They kill me with that on the forums... Very well done, and much success with this project and the next!

 Really? I have a handful of deals I get in and out of for under 30k.

Post: My first multi-unit

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @Sochima Eze:

Jameson Drew can I ask how you found the property?

Through my agent/PM on the MLS. Just got lucky on this one.

Post: My first multi-unit

Jameson DrewPosted
  • Investor
  • Los A, CA
  • Posts 69
  • Votes 38
Originally posted by @Jin Hwang:

Would this consider as REO properties? How were you able to connect with local bank?

Yes. My agent/PM found it on the MLS.