All Forum Posts by: Jason Chen
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Post: Question about rent pricing

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Ok, typically a rental that I have will get about 15 inquiries I think over the course of a 7-10 days after a list on craigslist and sign in front of the duplex.
I'll get like 2 serious applicants, and 1 of them will be able to take it.
If you got 100 inquiries in such a short period of time, I think you actually set the rent too low. Don't cheat yourself out of your own money - that money is going to be necessary for you to keep up with upkeep and other costs you have to pay just to maintain the property.
Post: Buying house with a possible break even or negative CF

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Originally posted by @David Sweeney:
It is always a trade-off, isn't it? Buy a property in a nice area that you hope will appreciate, or buy a property that isn't in the greatest area, but gives you cashflow each month. Maybe you can get both? It might take some time, but it can be done.
On the deal you mention, the numbers look a little low to me. Have you used the BP rental calculator? Easy to use and gives you excellent analysis. I think you can do better. Some more cash flow helps when you have those unexpected repairs. It is always good to set aside some $ for capex. That being said, $235K is the price range you can afford, so Auburn may be the area you have to shop in. Nothing wrong with Tacoma, but the price will be generally higher. For instance, I evaluated a fourplex there (MLS #1156718) for $359K that could cashflow almost $500/mo. Again, that is more than you can afford right now, so looking lower in Auburn is a good strategy.
Stick to you price point and see if you can find something that is bringing in more cash each month.
The "both" places you're talking about, where you can get both appreciation and cash flow are the best for me and my kind of profile.
I feel like they only exist in certain, small, niche, particular markets in the US and there aren't a ton of them. Would highly recommend these places to a newbie investor because they offer the best of both worlds, and different exit strategies 3-5 years down the road when they might not want to hold for cash flow anymore.
Post: Don´t tell me NO, tell me HOW! (help me think outside the box)

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I feel like it can be done and I'll give you an "outside of the box" type of answer to your question
With $200,000, it MIGHT be possible for this to happen. I am only throwing out wild hypotheticals out there because it MIGHT work for these more expensive properties. I have seen them happen with D class properties, but not so sure about the A/B class ones you'll probably be looking at.
Basically the most ideal situation for you is to find someone willing to sell their house or whatever to you, and they are in DIRE and URGENT need of about $200,000 in cash within the next 72 hours, and coincidentally, nobody in their social circle such as a friend or family member has that type of cash on hand. If the property is worth $1 million as a very fair price, they may very well be willing to sell it to you for $200,000 cash as a down payment, and do some kind of owner-financing agreement where they owner finance $400,000-$500,000 depending on how the negotiations go.
You then list the property for sale a week or two later for $1,250,000, and make your profit.
Knew a guy who bought like 50 D class houses in Ocala for $50,000 total. The seller's wife needed money ASAP for cancer treatment, and he just needed cash right away. Some of the houses didn't have utilities hooked up properly and were empty, but it didn't matter. The guy who bought the 50 houses sold them all eventually over time for $3,000-$7,000 to local drug dealers and made a big gigantic return in a fairly short period of time.
If you want to succeed with $200,000, one way to do it is be patient and wait for a ridiculously desperate seller.
Post: Buying house with a possible break even or negative CF

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Originally posted by @Jayme Jahns:
As for becoming a real estate agent, that might be practical one day if I'm rolling in the cash money for investing. Which I could validate the 200 a month cost versus cash flow I would gain in investing.
It sounds like a smart plan for someone that does have quite a bit experience and the funds to pull it off.
From my perspective, I have very little interest in representing clients or being a broker. I'm not a natural seller and dealing with people is not my thing. Which is why I would like to hire property managers if i have the cash flow for it. Which I will hold out for until I do.
I'm more of the hang back and work independently on my own, type of person. I'm creative and like just sitting at my PC and working on my CG/animation/digital art skills.
This whole real estate business is not a long term career goal but more of an investment goal. But even being that, I have to be educated in it enough that I know what to invest in and when. Which is why I've been devoting so many hours to studying the market recently. But, it's hard to learn some elements unless you have already been in the real estate investing game.
That's where you guys have helped me fill in the gap on that knowledge you gain from just being in the game.
well heres the thing - you don't have to do any work at all as a real estate agent. you could pretty much never show up to the office and that's perfectly fine, as they get to collect their franchise fee each month. now some places, you can get in for just $150 a month or even less. and if you only want to stick with them for like a year, then youd only pay like $1,750 total for the year, and just quit the office and tell them you'll come back some other time (which theyll be ok with). the amount of knowledge youll gain from playing around with their sophisticated MLS program is really cool.
i really believe that becoming an agent for 18 months gave me a huge advantage, as the majority of people in Ocala are country bumpkin simpleton type of people, and the investors with money were commonly people from out of town or out of state. pick your battles and battlegrounds wisely.
as far as "networking" goes, i didn't really form any relationships in particular with anyone that i didnt already have. i had a manager who was actually silly, but smart. some offices have this snobby attitude from some of the agents who think they're all that because they are the #1 in the sales office, and some are laidback and cool. our manager was a cool and laidback guy who was willing to help with anything. there was also this funny older lady who would always be on the computer playing solitaire in the afternoon whenever i happened to arrive at the office. should you decide to join an office one day, be sure to take a few minutes to scout out the place and see if its got the right kind of environment for you. id avoid the cutthroat type of offices, but in the end it doesn't matter as much as you think cuz youll mostly be at home.
Post: 14 Unit Multifamily. Is it a buy?

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this property is a small potential gem. not a big gem, but a small one
offer as low of a price as you possibly can and take the property. i think you will like it. i rate this deal a 3.5/10 if you pay asking
if you get it for $425,000 and finance it with terms, id rate it a 6/10. anything above a 5/10 in my opinion is a solid deal
Post: What would you offer? 56 units

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Originally posted by @Andrew Johnson:
@Brandon Stevens Oh the fun of trying to create a value from incomplete information :-) Things that pop into my head:
1.) The property is 29 years old so you might be right on the cusp of a dead 30 year old roof. I always love the idea of "35 year architectural shingles!" but they never seem to quite last that long. Roofing for 56 units isn't cheap but that cost will depend on how those units are laid out.
2.) With an average of $428 per unit that means those studios *might* be under $400/month in rent. I don't know if you've never walked through sub-$400/rent units but it's...well...different. To be overly general, they usually reak of deferred maintenance and turnover costs are disproportionately high as a percentage of rents.
3.) If the owner lives in Florida and it's 56 units I'd imagine there is a property management company involved and/or an onsite property manager. If there is, great, get all of the numbers from them on collected rents and expenses. If there isn't, I'd probably factor in a heck of a lot more than $50K in deferred maintenance. It's 56 low-rent units run by an out-of-state landlord.
So, who knows...but for fun...
$24,000 gross rents @ 100%
$20,000 collected monthly rents
$10,000 NOI after expenses (I know, it's lower than 50% of gross rents but it's a lower-dollar property)
Maybe it's an 8-cap market so: $120,000/.08 = $1.5MM
I'm guessing there's way more deferred maintenance, might be a roof coming due, etc. so...ummm...$1.25MM?
i think this is a fair appraisal and the 1.25 million might be an ok. i wouldnt go much higher than that, but at $25,000 per unit, that would make it 1.4 mil, which wouldnt be good
at $400 or so per unit, we're talking about a different class of property vs $650/month (duh)
I'd offer 1 million max because of all that square footage. gotta think about how much new roofing is going to cost to cover that much area (its gonna be a lot)
I think for $800,000 and below is where you start to get into serious bargain territory, and $600,000 would be an absolute steal
Post: Deal in small < 1900 population town

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id avoid it
i smell a possible career-ender
Post: Hey Michiganders!!! Does this look good?

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Originally posted by @Patrick Britton:
@Jason Chen hehehe....well, if there were a property in my neck of the woods that was 4 units and provided $2,600 rental income, it would be asking at least $500,000.
why not invest in florida....
$2,300-$2,400 in rental income with easy rentability (2/1 units) and a total cost of $150,000 (and that is retail value/turnkey)
Post: Buying house with a possible break even or negative CF

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Originally posted by @Scott Howell:
Probably the most basic reply. If I was renting and the landlord raised my rent by $100, I would be moving out. That increased rent is not a small amount, to me anyway.
This is why I am incredulous about a lot of these "value add" deals. 99% of the time, if the value could've been added so easily, then why doesn't the current landlord just rent it out for a higher price then what he/she is charging now? Unless it's a distressed property that needs renovation and rehab, and would certainly justify a higher rental price after its fixed.
Raising rents by $100 or even $50 a unit is a big deal. Usually what happens is a realtor will tell an unwise investor "yeah you can raise the rent from $700 to $850 a month". Then when the new owner tries to do just that, the renters move out, and the property sits vacant for months because it turned out that $700 a month really what the market is willing to accept. Maybe $725, but not even $750
Post: What is a “D” property?

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you forgot to tell us the most important detail
What is the price? Just by the sound of it, if its being offered at $125,000 or less, I'd go take a serious look.