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All Forum Posts by: Jason G.

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Post: How many units needed before you hit financial freedom, and why?

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Originally posted by @Lauren Akins:

Hey everyone! I am currently trying to get all my ducks in a row and have a long-term plan outlined. I know real estate investing will be the way I achieve my financial freedom. My vision of financial freedom is, of course, having my assets pay for my livelihood but also allow me to buy more assets to grow. What I'm trying to wrap my head around is a realistic number of units I need to achieve this goal. At my W-2 job, I am making around 60K a year. This amount is fine because I am keeping my expenses low. But I also know that this amount of money won't sustain me year-over-year for the rest of my life. I haven't put an exact number on what my end goal is yet, but it's more than 55K a year lol.

I'm aware that this COMPLETLY depends on the deal. What's most important to me right now is the cash flow of the deal. Appreciation and tax benefits are just icing on the cake. 

I would love to hear everyone's stories as to how many deals/doors it took for you to achieve your financial freedom and, ideally, a breakdown of what those numbers look like. Now is the time to brag! lol 

Financial freedom is different for each individual and cost of living varies from region to region. My rough estimate is that I would need close to thirty properties with 10 financed and the rest paid off to reach my passive income goal. I'm in the process of picking up #6 financed. On all my properties the rents have gone up since purchasing them so that changed the calculations for the better than they originally were, but I also ran into a wall on this 6th property with my DTI being at the point where I won't be able to finance another until I get it lowered. What I do know is that at the very least I will reach retirement with a nice stream of income beyond taking money out of a 401k, receiving social security, or receiving a pension.

Post: Drop out of college and spend my fund, or stay?

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Originally posted by @Payson Scott:

Hello to anyone reading, 

I’m currently a freshman in college and here is my situation. I’m one semester in, and plan on finishing out the year.

I have a college fund which contains roughly $60,000 (after this first year, could be more depending on living at home or dorming). Additionally, I have around 16,500 in my bank account/stock market. For work I have an internship making $18 an hour. 

I have thoughts about dropping out of college and throwing all of my college fund money at real estate, but I also feel that if I stay at my company and use my degree I could be making good money (Information Systems degree) and save for a property, then overtime make the transition over to real estate. I always go back and forth, but I always wonder what would happen if I dropped out and threw all of my money (roughly $75,000 worst case scenario if I dropped out at the end of this year) at real estate. 

If anyone has any thoughts of what they think, I would love to hear. 

Investing in real estate is NOT a get rich quick investment strategy.  It takes time (most likely decades) and resources to scale up.  Having a stable well paying job makes it much easier to secure financing and acquire properties.  

If you dropped out of college now, what exactly is your plan to make a living from real estate? 

You mentioned you want to throw it all at real estate, but what exactly does that mean to you?  

By providing that information you will likely get a lot of feedback on that plan.  You already know you have a solid plan if you stay in school because you have a well paying job ahead of you that could help lay the foundation for building a real estate portfolio.  What is the actual plan in the alternative?  Share and we can all give feedback on it to help you figure out if it is really a viable alternative.

Post: How to buy a rental property

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Originally posted by @Diasia Cherese:

Starting out in real estate and I don't know what I'm doing. What is the process of buying a multifamily property?

Not the only way, but one way is connect with a local investor friendly real estate agent.  Get pre-approved by a lender.  Make an offer on a property.  If a price is agreed to you enter into the purchase sale agreement and wire the earnest money deposit. An inspection will be performed, which may or may not result in the deal coming to an end or a renegotiation on price. Go through the lending process of providing documents to the lender, work with an insurance broker to secure insurance for the property, connect with property management companies and choose one to manage the property, the appraisal will be completed, the down payment (20-25%) will be wired to escrow, close on the property and there you go, you are now the owner of your first investment property. 

Obviously simplified, but there are the broad strokes for one of many paths to your first multifamily.

Post: Did I make a mistake?

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Originally posted by @Dominick Galinis:

Hey BP fam, 

I’m just curious if I made a mistake of sort here.

I recently left a job that I was at for a few years (wasn’t a good place to be for work/life, etc etc), and since have decided I wanted to be a realtor and still invest in properties. Yes, I understand being a realtor is hard and not quick money and yes, I know that I don’t need to be a realtor in order to do investments. I genuinely want to do both. 

now, with the desire to be an investor and realtor, if I remember correctly, I have to have a stable income for 2 years with a 1099 to get a loan.

Outside of creative financing, there's nothing I can really do at this point, is there? Just save for the next couple years and jump in then? Also, if that IS where I'm at, what would YOU do with your money in the interim? Just let it sit or try to put it in say, a REIT or something until I'm ready to buy?


thank you in advance!

If I was in your shoes and had time to kill but money sitting there I would invest it in index funds so it grew until I was ready to pull it out to invest in real estate.

Post: Multiple Properties same HELOC, how to handle?

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Originally posted by @Adam Rosenbeck:

(I originally posted this in the "creative financing" sub forum but I thought it might get a little better visibility in the "starting out" sub forum.)

Hello all,

Looking for a little guidance on how to handle my up coming situation. So I am new to the Real Estate world but I took the first (and biggest) step and am under contract for my first STR closing early November! Super excited to get it going! I am going into this venture with a business partner, he is the boots on the ground guy and is networked with all the right people, and I am providing the capital to get things rolling via a HELOC on my first mortgage. Our plan is to use my HELOC to fund the down payment, closing costs, minor refurb items, and furnishing the STR. All in all were estimating about $30-35k to get this up and running. Once we get it running were going to take all profits from the STR and pay back the HELOC as quickly as possible.


Where it gets interesting is I have around $90k available in my HELOC. So we will have around 60k left in this HELOC will be enough for 1 or 2 more STR's similar to our first. Our thinking is once the first house has the HELOC fully paid back we will then split the cash flow 50/50. The issue that I need help with is my HELOC monthly payment is 1% of my balance, so its always changing. Example, if my first property consumes $30k of my HELOC, my payment will be $300 the first month, then the balance might be $29,800 after that payment, so the next month's payment will be $298.00, and so on. BUT our plan was to put all profits towards the HELOC, so one month it might be $300, the next might be $1,000 so principle paydown will be ever changing as well. Throw another property in the mix and now my HELOC balance might be $70k, with two different properties both paying varying monthly amounts towards their respective balances, that ultimately lump into one larger P&I monthly payment.

I tried to get the bank that my 1st mortgage is through to allow me to have multiple lines of credit against it so I could have a HELOC for each property and keep it straight that way, but it was against their policy to do so. That would have been the easiest and cleanest way I believe.

So with all of that said (hopefully it makes some manner of sense), how can I keep track of each property's true balance and when each property has fulfilled its debt to the HELOC and we can start splitting the cash flow 50/50. It feels like I should be able to use a couple amortization tables and keep track of each property separately in one excel sheet, but I'm not 100% sure how to set that up to be accurate.

Thanks in advance for the insight!

Adam

It doesn't seem like you need this partner. Way cheaper to retain a property manager than to give 50% equity and then have his money tracked back to paying down a loan on your primary. Just sounds very messy. If you are going to go through with that, it seems like the easiest accounting would just be to buy this one, pay off the HELOC and then that properties obligation to the HELOC is now over and move onto the next. It isn't easy to get LOC on the rentals, especially if you just bought them because there won't be any equity in the property to pull the LOC from. As for multiple HELOCs on your primary, why? It makes more sense to just obtain a larger HELOC to replace the current one. The rates may be better that way also.

Post: A couple of rookie questions

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Originally posted by @Kevin Jennings:
Originally posted by @Phong Tran:

Hey there! Like what most of everyone stated here, the 1% doesn't work and will not always work for every market out there. It's a general rule of thumb so you can quickly weed out the back properties from the possibilities. Obviously, over the years this specific rule of thumb has become unreliable due to the constant rising of home prices. Always, always, always..! dive deeper, crunch the real numbers to see what the true financials are.

I.E - I'm in the Portland, OR market and the 1% is non-existent here! If I were to always follow that specific metric, I would still be trying to chase my first investment.

Good luck! @Kevin Jennings

Thank you! I’m in Texas so I also have high property tax rates that cut into profits. If you can’t make the 1% work what do you use to determine if a property is a good investment? Do you just settle for less cash flow or is there something else you go by?

My overall strategy is to continue buying properties with the goal of having them provide me with passive income when I retire.  I'm currently 39, so this is a long term strategy.  All my properties bring in between $100-$500 a month after all expenses.  Over time the rents have increased which has increased my cash flow.  But so have my property taxes and insurance, so keep that in mind.  I put all the cashflow aside and it just goes into the next property, so I don't plan on ever using any of it until I'm retired. You are just going to have to do the math.  If the taxes in Texas make it cost prohibitive to invest there then you may have to look at other states.  I live in Long Island, NY, there is no way I would ever buy any properties for investment here given the cost to acquire and the property taxes.

Post: A couple of rookie questions

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Originally posted by @Kevin Jennings:
Originally posted by @Jason G.:
Originally posted by @Kevin Jennings:

Hello everyone. I am just starting to dive into real estate investing and still have a lot to learn before I either buy my first rental property or move and rent my current home. There is one thing that confuses me that I just can’t seem to find an answer on anywhere, at that is the importance of the 1% rule.

When looking on Zillow, every house I find, the rental estimate is less than 1% of home value. I also looked on roofstock, and with all the information that they put in for rental and expense estimates, etc, they all show negative cash flow. Even in my current house/neighborhood, I couldn’t imagine people being willing to pay 1% of what homes are currently selling for. Am I just out of touch with what people are willing to pay in rent, or is there something else I am missing?

I know you can factor depreciation into taxes, but am I correct in thinking that shouldn’t be factored into cash flow calculations?

Hope these questions don’t sound too dumb. Just trying to make sense of things as I continue to read and learn. Thanks in advance for the help. 

After the subprime mortgage crisis the cost for properties dropped significantly and had taken some time to recover. During that time the "1% rule" was a viable strategy. However, in many markets the cost for properties have risen to the level where the numbers just do not work if you are picking them up at market value. For all my properties in the Atlanta Market, the values of properties have gone up significantly since I started purchasing them several years ago and while they were good investments to buy when I did, they would be horrible investments to buy now at their current values. As others have said, you can find potential deals with off market properties or those that need renovations. Always use your own numbers. You should be able to figure out the PITI on your own, what the fees are for the local PM companies, and also check what the local rents are for properties currently looking for tenants. Don't rely on Zillow or Roofstock or any other website, but definitely use those types of websites as a tool.

Good to know. Do you think right now is just an overall bad time to get into real estate? 

No.  There are plenty of people that do not purchase investment properties or stocks because they are trying to time the markets and end up losing out a lot of potential gains over the course of their lifetime.  We may never see another housing crash or a significant drop in prices in the housing market in our lifetimes.  Traditionally over time prices go up.  It is just a matter of working on finding deals.  If this was easy then everyone would do it.

Post: A couple of rookie questions

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Originally posted by @Kevin Jennings:

Hello everyone. I am just starting to dive into real estate investing and still have a lot to learn before I either buy my first rental property or move and rent my current home. There is one thing that confuses me that I just can’t seem to find an answer on anywhere, at that is the importance of the 1% rule.

When looking on Zillow, every house I find, the rental estimate is less than 1% of home value. I also looked on roofstock, and with all the information that they put in for rental and expense estimates, etc, they all show negative cash flow. Even in my current house/neighborhood, I couldn’t imagine people being willing to pay 1% of what homes are currently selling for. Am I just out of touch with what people are willing to pay in rent, or is there something else I am missing?

I know you can factor depreciation into taxes, but am I correct in thinking that shouldn’t be factored into cash flow calculations?

Hope these questions don’t sound too dumb. Just trying to make sense of things as I continue to read and learn. Thanks in advance for the help. 

After the subprime mortgage crisis the cost for properties dropped significantly and had taken some time to recover. During that time the "1% rule" was a viable strategy. However, in many markets the cost for properties have risen to the level where the numbers just do not work if you are picking them up at market value. For all my properties in the Atlanta Market, the values of properties have gone up significantly since I started purchasing them several years ago and while they were good investments to buy when I did, they would be horrible investments to buy now at their current values. As others have said, you can find potential deals with off market properties or those that need renovations. Always use your own numbers. You should be able to figure out the PITI on your own, what the fees are for the local PM companies, and also check what the local rents are for properties currently looking for tenants. Don't rely on Zillow or Roofstock or any other website, but definitely use those types of websites as a tool.

Post: Roofstock Case Study

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I am in the process of purchasing another property through Roofstock, this time one of their "Select" properties which means that it isn't an exclusive listing of a property on Roofstock but instead one listed on MLS but you use Roofstock who assigns you a local agent who works with you on the deal. I decided to use Roofstock for this purchase because I was moving into a new market and felt it would be an easier way to get my foot in that market, but I can say that I've been a bit disappointed with Roofstock during this process. Not the agent they provided me, but with Roofstock itself. They were hands on with the four prior purchases that were their own exclusive listings, but for this one it is like they are non-existent in the process and don't seem to want to lift much of a finger facilitating property management or securing insurance, which has been a major turnoff. I will write a full review once the deal completes and I know I've been a big advocate of Roofstock in the past, but at least when it comes to these Select properties, I'm not a fan of how they operate.

Post: Roofstock Case Study

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Originally posted by @Sara T.:

Wow, this thread is amazing, thank you @Jason G. for very detailed case study! 

I have question about tenants, you mentioned that when you got your first property through RoofStock, you didn't ask any question about existing tenant. But then for your next purchases, were you able to get additional info about tenants you inherited from RoofStocks before signing up with them? If so, what kind of info could they provide? Is there something to watch out for in this regard? And on average how long does it take to fill your vacant property after the tenant leaves? 

Without going back and trying to figure it out I don't recall discussing this off the top of my head.  I do know they've provided copies of the lease(s) as well as payment ledgers.  But that is essentially all the information I've received upon inheriting pre-existing tenants.  When they've vacated it has taken under a month to re-rent once the turnover is complete.