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All Forum Posts by: Jim Johnson

Jim Johnson has started 18 posts and replied 320 times.

Post: Tax Questions Notes, L/O

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by mountainjoepa:
If you sell a mobile home on a note, let's say you have $3k in the property and you collect $1k down and a not for $6,500, sales price is $7.500, do you pay the complete sales tax immediately or wait till the note is paid off? If you pay the lot rent but charge the buyer, does this change anything as far as taxes?
If this is the case, should I transfer title with a lien or keep in trust until note is paid off?

Also, on a lease purchase, 5k down, 300 month for 3 years with 2k balloon, all goes towards purchase price of 16,500, interest rate is 12. My accountant says this should be taxed like rental property? Does the option amount get taxed differently?

I have never seen such a short post with so many questions...
If you sell a home on a note the IRS says you owe the value of the note as income in the first year. So take what you have in the home, subtract the down payment and that is your basis. Subtract that from your note value and you have a number... the question is, does that number match what the note value is... So if the note is worth something less, and you can justify that lessor price, you owe the lessor price in the first year. Then you need to split each principal payment into two parts, one that reduces your new basis, and one that you will owe income taxes on. If you sell the home, you should transfer the title and become a lien holder. Well... that is what I do.
I have no experience with a lease purchase so I will let someone more qualified than I answer that part...
ps. I follow John Hyres KISS guide to book keeping... if you own mobile home notes, you should really, really, really look at his stuff... really... that is not a endorsement, it is a rave...

Post: Listings of Mobile Home Parks

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by Casey Mack:
Anyone have any good websites or places to look for updated listings of mobile home parks or mobile home park owners?


There is a limited list on The Mobile Home Park Store. At one point they sold the list, but it is no longer sold. If your looking in a individual area, you might try contacting the county assessors office, in some states they will sell you their list.

Post: Insurance on a Lonnie Deal

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by Jonathan VanHorn:
A couple friends and I are going to be purchasing a MH soon in the form of a Lonnie Deal. I know almost everything about the deal other than getting out there and doing it ;-) (So I've probably got about 40% of the info down lol)

Anyways, we will have liability insurance on the LLC, but what about the mobile homes? Do we require the buyer to pay for it?

I have a friend who is an insurance agent and he could probably structure the deal up so that I could just have it with me at closing and work it into the note that if they don't have insurance then they lose the home.

Any advice is appreciated, thanks.

The short answer is yes, the home should be insured. Who pays, if you escrow etc are really questions you need to deal with internally. I do it both ways, some owners pay, some insurance I escrow for and pay myself. Make sure as the lender, you are the loss payee...

Post: contracts and forms needed

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by C J:
Here's another +1 on appreciating the generosity. I am still very new in this business and it is refreshing to encounter someone who so readily shares knowledge--with no fuss involved. If you ever layover in ATL Jim, I have a homebrew (or 5) with your name on it. I have an organic red ale that is maturing nicely and already tastes incredible . . .

Thanks CJ! I will look you up if I end up in the area... My next East Coast stop that is scheduled is Orlando in January.

Post: Who do you use for credit and background checks?

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by Jon Klaus:
Who do you use for credit and background checks?

How much do you pay?


I use Factual Data. The credit pull for a 3 merged reports is about $22... the tenant screening depends on how much your looking to have them do.

Post: SC Mobile Home Park

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by Uwe Siegert:
Jim,

You right its a little park, but I have after the purchase in Cleveland only $10-12k left and a mobile home park for approx $8,5k out of pockets is attractive.
I looking now in Ohio or Indiana/New York in this week.

-Uwe


For the cash, the park works... so long as the size and other issues do not get in the way...

Post: SC Mobile Home Park

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
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Originally posted by Uwe Siegert:
Thanks for your advice guys.

Jim-
The airport is 10 miles away, thats not a problem, but I live in Germany today, that can be the problem :).
To your last questions, a property manager works for the current owner (they live in NC), he owns the park since 5 years, a note is on the park with $37k, this is why the owner doing a lease purchase. The note rate is $379 monthly I negotiate with the price today he is willing to go to $85k and $758 monthly rate. The mobile homes owned by the park. So the park is operated as apartment complex. In Cleveland I can buy a 8 unit building and a 7-8 unit park is really good for add income.

Bud-
Yes the negotiation is promising. To your questions:
1. 5 years.
2. approx 15,000 sqf (190 x 78).
3. Yes, the other half of the payment ($379).
4. Short, yes.
5. Only hold, rent, hold, rent, improve and so on.

It helps thank you :). The park lies between Greenville and Spartanburg.

-Uwe


Uwe,
The numbers are looking better. I am not wild about the vacant homes. I would want a larger presence in the area. One trip will eat a big hole in the income if speard out over so few sites.

I really should clarify I buy these parks and rely on how well they do to life on... so these are investments and income...

There are two parks for sale in Peru Indiana, $60,000 down and they have a NOI over that $60,000 mark... I think they are offered at a 19 CAP. They have owner financing, non recourse financing, fixed for 10 years and then a small bump for the next 5 years...

They are listed by a real estate broker in Lafayette Indiana... Metropolitan Real Estate I think... I think the broker is Charley Caufman... It was still listed a few weeks ago... Sub-meter water, allocate trash and it goes over a 20 CAP... anyway... there are lots of great deals out there...

Post: SC Mobile Home Park

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by Uwe Siegert:
I found an ad for a MHP in SC at another REI Forum, this is the ad:

" We need to move this property so that we can invest in another opportunity. It's a Mobile Home Park in SC. It needs some work but has the potential to bring in about $3k. It has some cash flow now! Here are the details:
will Finance....No credit Check, No qualifying
Purchase Price: $95k Down Payment: $3500
Monthly Note: $995.00
We will do this under a lease purchase.
We NEED to move this and close on it no later than two weeks "

I wrote with the seller and its an 8 space park with possible 2 more. 7 spaces with park owned mobile homes (rent $350) and 1 vacant space.
3 of the mobile homes are rented, 4 vacant. These 4 mobile homes needs approx $5k for repairs. There is a waitlist for the vacant homes said the seller and the lease time is for always for 1 year.
GI is $29,4k with 100% occupancy, the NOI should be $17k.

Is this an rentable MHP? The price is negotiable and the monthly lease rate too.
If I buy the Cleveland Mixed Building I still have some money for that scenario. Only these properties be 600 miles apart.

-Uwe


As a opinion on this here is what I would say... the park is too small to operate as a stand alone property. That said, if you lived very close, or if you had another property and this was in its shadow things might change.
One more point... Mobile home parks. as investments, can be looked at in one of two ways. One is a land lease- very few expenses, managing tenants and repairing infrastructure. The other option is really a flat apartment complex. Except your dealing with a mobile home, not a stick built building. You will have maintenance and repairs 24/7 on homes and infrastructure. You also need to separate out the income. Pad rent is caped at one rate, and the rentals have their own expenses, their own income and you need to value that as its own business.

OK- the opinion part of this is over... now- what is the income, expenses, proximity to the nearest major airport, how much will the flight cost, how many lay overs will you have. Who manages the property now, what does the lease look like, will you have title to the homes, does it have public utilities?

Post: contracts and forms needed

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by Jon Klaus:
Thanks for the forms! Maybe I can repay (steak?) you when you are in Ft Worth next month.




That would be great. I will be in to Dallas Love Field at 6:30. I will need to rent a car... so probably leaving the airport at 7ish... your town, so send me a restaurant to meet at with the exact address... GPS dependent ya know. I will be needing to head in the direction of Ft Worth... email me the details with your cell phone so if there is a delay I can let you know...

Post: contracts and forms needed

Jim Johnson
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 355
  • Votes 324
Originally posted by Mike Matthews:
Wow Jim you are nice, I sell my forms. Then again I had mine drawn up by a lawyer. I paid so I don't give them out from free.

I sold 3 tonight to one of my focus group students.

Especially my rental agreement, It would make your mouth drool.



Mike,
I like the thought of everyone driving home in a limousine... it seems when I ask someone to share stuff with me they gladly do so... and every time I share with someone something is shared with me... now we might have two different things going on here... my business is buying and selling real estate, mobile homes and at times carrying paper... I do not run clubs, or do paid mentoring or any of that stuff...

I know you do all I do and run a investing club where you sell your forms etc... we can not really compare these issues with each other as we are in this for differing reasons... and both are good...

ps... I am overnight in Texas again in Nov... but in Ft Worth... I tried to overnight in Houston and hit another steak dinner but the schedule did not work that way this trip...