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All Forum Posts by: Jim Johnson

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Post: Some Mobile Home Questions

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Originally posted by Jeff Solomons:
This has been great info so far. I am interested in learning more about MH investing. I live in NY on Long Island and I am not seeing too many good deals and there are very few MH to buy. Do I really need to physically see a mobile home to know if it's a good deal. I know I SHOULD see it but it would be a far ride to some of the parks that would be considered close to me. What do you do in that case?

Jeff,
I like to see the homes, but I have a crew i can send to look at properties as well. In other states I use my park managers to look at the properties.

Post: Expenses of MH parks

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Originally posted by Mike Matthews:
Originally posted by Ramon Pena Alvarado:
Thanks Jim & Mike for your great feedback.
Ray



Jim is a real expert in Mobile Home Parks. I would listen to his advice before mine. Listen to Jim he is out there every day making deals happen.


Mike, that is kind of you to say. Mike and I had dinner a few months back when I was in Houston doing some due diligence. He is a class act and I look forward to seeing him be a real impact player in the mobile home park industry. Always love to share a steak with a fellow investor...

Post: default on a mobile home contract

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Originally posted by Dennis Watkins:
Hi, I need your opinion and help. I sold a mobile home in 2007 on contract for 1 yr. It was signed agreed on all parties. However the buyer stopped paying me before the contract was up and appearently refuses to pay. Money is still due. She owes a balance of $960. Since the contract has expired and I refuse to write another for because I don't think I will be paid off. I sent her a letter last year and have not heard from her until I got handed a suppeana because now she is suing me for some unknown reason. I have a lawyer and showed him the contract. He says she doesn't understand why she is suing. She has no grounds the contract has expired and she is in default. He suggested I just get in the mobile home and change the locks, So I did.
What do you think?
Dennis


Dennis,
Default on a mobile home security agreement requires replivin, or repossession is a more common term. Its the same process you repo a car with. Now that is if your sold it on a security agreement. Entering the home with the approval of the court, and the assistance of the the sheriff might constitute breaking and entering, so i would not advise doing that without a judge telling you you have that right. The reasons your being hauled into court could be a whole host of reasons... maybe you did not follow the local mobile home park act when selling the home, or you have violated some other state statute on your financing agreement. Maybe you reported a payment wrong and they feel the home should have been paid off... who knows.
I might call her and ask whats up... and hope to settle out of court. bottom line, the only one that wins in court is the attorney representing you, and the one representing her... You stand to loose no matter what... good luck...

Post: Father wants me to run the park...now what..?

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Originally posted by Dave C:
Greetings,

My father currently owns a small mobile home park in S.C. 18 units with approximately 13 or 14 livable and rented. The rents average between $364-$375 a month. These I believe are all month to month. He asked me over the weekend what I thought about taking over the park for him. I currently live about an hour or so away from him and the park. I am so new to this, I wouldn't even know where to begin. How can I make this park financially viable for the both of us? The park is in rough shape, however i believe it has potential.

Best regards,
Dave


Dave,
I should probably say I really do not believe in the concept of a rental mobile home park except in very rare situations. I am happy to hit on the reasons if you want, but I will keep this post more to the point. In almost every case, a rental park is like a flat apartment complex. So really your needing to look at managing and turnover as huge expenses and time commitments. In almost every case, if you convert the park to the residents owning the homes, your NOI will be better. This is not a universal truth, as every park reflects the local economic conditions.
So I would look at the sourounding space rent, reset my community to the high end of that result, then sell the tenants the homes on terms with no money down and payments that bring your gross back to a number close to what they are paying.

So if the space rents in the area were $200 per month, and the home was at $350.... I would have them pay $200 for the pad, then $150 for the home and figure out a payment plan that was 2 or 3 years long... depending on what you can get away with... shoot for 3, settle for 2. At this time, if I could I would also sub meter utilities if that has not been done. That will further lower your expenses and add accountability on the utility usage part.
Again, not a universal truth, but in most cases that is your best bet...
For what its worth... a stable space rent only park for me, gets a visit every quarter to every half year... so 2, at the most 4 trips per year... maybe a extra trip to my south Texas park in the middle of the winter to just warm my bones, not because I need to visit...

Post: Some Mobile Home Questions

Jim Johnson
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Originally posted by Hiethem Badawi:
Hi Rachel and Jim,

I have been following the MP forum for a while now and I have done a little bit of marketing for Lonnie Deals. I'm in California, so as you know, the prices of most the the MP's here are fairly high. The only MP's I have come across that would fit the Lonnie Deal price range are very old (ex. 1959). I love the concept of creating notes with MP's, but I'm a bit cautious about this type of business in the California market. Lot rents that I have come across out here are about $700 all the way up to $1500. I know it is the concept of the Lonnie Deal that I should be implementing and adapting to my market, but I'm still in doubt. Any insight from you would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Hiethem,
The California market on the coast, from San Fransisco to San Diego is a market all unto itself. I do not live in that area, though I visit San Diego on a very regular basis. I would tell you to go inland enough to find parks and homes that are more reasonable. It is probably important to understand I much higher return on investment than the California market yields UNLESS your speculating in the California market, where I know there is huge money. My 'Lonnie Deals' in Colorado, Texas, Nebraska and Indiana return my full investment in 18 months or less, or I do not do them. To be clear, I live in Colorado where most of my Lonnie Deals are, and I have 'Lonnie Deals' in the rest of the states only in mobile home parks I own.

Post: Deal analysis Park

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Originally posted by mountainjoepa:
Jim,
Great reply. That's encouraging that you succeed regardless of the distance, or in spite of it.
I was thinking of working with the homes and current lot rent, about $1500 month and then gradually renting the other 30 or so spaces.
Also raising rent. Sounds like your philosophy is to bring your own homes in? What about just renting the spaces? I know it would take time to fill, but if you advertised?


I actually only take on one infill park at a time. They really take a lot of time. My real bread and butter is to fine parks with upside on space rent and in utilities that can be sub metered or reduced through improved infrastructure or management. Remember for every $1 I increase revenue, or decrease expenses I bump the sales price between 8 and $10. More if the park will sell on a CAP under 10.

I just bought a park and put in water meters. The city now reads and charges the tenants for water. Just this move decreased my expenses by about $20,000 per year... That adds about $180,000 to the value of that park. I have not even touched revenue, or space rent yet, just decreased the expenses to operate the park. Time from start to finish... 90 days. It is a bit more complex than I am making it sound... but that is in the operations side and I will not bore you with the little details...
I spoke with a friend today that is putting a park under contract that needs 100 homes. The pad rent is $425 per month. Each home site filled in his market adds about $45,000 to the value of the park... quick math, pull in 100 homes costs about $1,000,000 and gives him a value increase of 4.5 million. So if he gave the homes away, he would only make 3.5 million... the power of CAP rates... he is in a 8 to 8.5 CAP market...
Dream big, sleep restless...

Post: Deal analysis Park

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OK... In this market, unless you really know what your doing filling parks with high vacancy's is a no no. Here is why... to buy, move and set up a home to fill you park will cost roughly $10,000 - $15,000. The value it adds to your park, at $75 pad rent might be $6,000. Now your jsut selling homes to make a living. If your looking at a park to infill, it must support pad rents of at least $150 per month... and that is still really tight. Now maybe there is lots of upside on the pad rents in this park, maybe there is upside elsewhere also... but the math off the bat would tell me to pass.

All that said... the distance you are from the park is really pretty easy to deal with. I find the farther away my parks are, the better I manage them... I keep visiting the park that is 2 hours from my house, but my park that is two flights and a overnight trip... I seem to manage fine using the internet, phone, US mail and my manager...

Funny how we will waste time because we do things better, even if it costs us money... or time...

I AM GUILTY!

Post: Bought, Sold, Now what??

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This is stuff I have written in the past... just posting it up...

OK. We have gone through buying and selling a home, but that is just the beginning. Now lets fill in the blanks on how a note is serviced, how to repo a home, and what do we do if our buyer wants to move out. We can also cover collections and late payments.

Lets start with my most common event- someone wants to move out. This is good and fresh as I got a call this morning from a buyer who wants to move out of a home.

First- the home- This is an older 2/2 single wide I bought for $1000 cash. I had it a week and it sold for $4000 on payments of $175 per month. The payoff on the home is $2,632. I have received $1,450 in payments over the last 9 months she has owned the home. My buyer called and said she was moving out and into a townhouse in town. I gave her this option for breaking the contract.
1) we put a sign in the window, she pays the space rent until it sells. She pays me $1,500 to break the security agreement and moves out. I will finance the $1,500 on payments of $100 per month @ 15% as a second on her new town home.

Total return- $2,950 in 9 months and I sell the home again.

I have notified the park the home is coming back and for them to begin marketing it to potential buyers. The new price on the home is $7,500 @ 15% with payments of $250 per month. Because I have almost no inventory in the park at this time it should sell in 15-30 days. This is tax time so there is a good chance it will sell for cash, I will discount the home to $4,500 for a cash buyer.
Late payments- Most every month I have people that pay late. Sometimes I get a call, a buyer saying their check will be late a couple of days because of a pay-period problem, or slow week. If I get a call like that and the person is not late on a regular basis, I tend to wave the late fees for a couple of days so the buyer can get the check to me. Then there are the folks that are late every month. I have a single gal in a home that has never paid on time. I know at first it might seem like a problem... but follow how it is dealt with and tell me what you think.
First off- my payment policy. The home payments are due on the 15th and late after 5pm on the 19th. Late fees are $10 per day. So on the business day of the 20th, it is another $50. So if your late 10 days, its $100. I fax my late notices (which are templates on my computer for each note) to the park office and they post it for me. It lets them know I have not received their payment and then spells out how much they owe on any given day. Payments are posted on the day received so they must allow at least a day for the mail to get to me.
So lets look at this note- It is on a double-wide, payments of $465/month. The note has a escrow deduction of $30/month so the net is $435. If my buyer pays me late fees every month of about $100 my yield goes up another 20-25%. Yes... it might take some collection time, and people that always pay late will probably not last... but that is business. By the way, she called me on Friday and said I would get my check for this month on Tuesday... That is $160 in late fees.

My notice reads as follows...

NOTICE TO PAY
Date: Monday, December 19, 2005

TO:

Notice to you and all others in possession of the below premises, that you have hereby violated the conditions or covenants by which you hold possession of the property below:

You are to comply on or within (3) THREE days (excluding date of service and legal holidays) of receipt of this notice, pursuant to the applicable law of Colorado.

This notice is provided due to non-payment and or other violations of the agreement by which you entered in as follows:
Past due Payments in the amount of $ 325.00
Late Fees in the amount of $ 50.00
Damage Deposit in the amount of $
Past Due Lot Rent $
Lot Rent Late Fees Due in the amount of $
Other Charges $

TOTAL AMOUNT DUE $ 375.00 as of Tuesday, December 20, 2005.This amount is increasing by the amount of $10 per day until payment is received by PAR Real Estate, Inc.

**Failure to cure said violations within the prescribed time period will result in additional late and legal fees.

Other Violations of your agreement are as follows: n/a

PAYMENT MUST BE MADE WITH CASH, CASHIER’S CHECK, OR CERTFIED FUNDS.

This is not an election to terminate your obligations to pay for the balance of the amount owed under your agreement.

In the event you fail to pay the above amount and cure above violations within (3) THREE days of this notice, we shall immediately take legal action to recover monies for the unlawful detention of said premises together with such future amounts as may be due us for breach of your agreement.
Most of the people that are buying these houses live very month to month. Some believe if they have checks in they hand... there must be cash in the account to cover the check. I receive my payments with money orders, certified checks or cash. No personal checks.

So why is there a gap between when a payment is due and when the late fees start. I would question if there is a gap. I could re-write the clause to read- all payments are due on the 19th before 5pm. All late payments will be assessed a $50 late charge and $10 for each additional day. It really all says the same thing. But in court... I say... Judge, I make my payments due the 15th and give everyone 4 additional days to pay without penalty. This buyer pays 10 days late every month! See, I build in a 'good guy' time for the payments... it evenly applies the late fees and looks good to the buyer, and makes me look better in court.
So what does one do if the home is the subject of a midnight move-out?
So your buyer has been late a few times and you have posted their door. Now you head over and find the place empty with the keys on the counter. My security agreement has the following line in it I rely on in this very situation

'If the premises are left unoccupied for FIVE (5) days or more while payment or lot rent is due and unpaid, property will be considered abandoned and at the option of the Agreement Holder and or its assigns, is hereby authorized to take immediate possession of abandoned property as partial damages, disposing of mobile home and owners personal property as he may wish, without recourse.'

So... I head inside, put a sign in the window and call my handyman for cleanup, carpet cleaning and the locks to be changed. I put a lock-box on the door and my guy comes over that day and starts getting it ready to be turned. I head to the park office and let them know the old owner seems to be missing, or was living without furniture, and I will be repossessing the home. At this time the old owner is still on the hook for the space rent. Most of the time the park will leave the old owner in the space rent until they can verify they have moved out. They will have some sort of process handed down from the owners of the park as to how to do this.

Once the home is sold- I take the old title and a repo slip to the county and sell the home to the new owners using the old title. The repo slip removes the old lien and signs off on the title as a official of the finance company. There is one more step in Colorado where taxes have to be paid on the home, that might set you back another $100 or so. After this is done, I round up the paperwork on the old owner and head to court for my judgment. Break fees, space rent, cleanup fees, interest and court costs. Once I have the judgment I can go after the old owners for what is owed.

Let me add this. In Colorado signatures do not need to be notarized... I do not know why. This said- follow the law because signing a home over to someone when you do not have the authority to sign is the first step to 3 square meals a day in your brick cell. Keep honest and stay out of trouble. Every state has laws concerning this process- it might take some extra steps but you will sleep better at night knowing you have been honest throughout the process.
This is the best part of owning the note on a mobile home. In a property where your promissory note is secured by a deed, the process of getting back a non performing note is through foreclosure. A lot is said on this and other boards on how this process works and its ins and outs. our process here is much like the one used if you do not make the payments on a car you have a loan on. In that instance the bank calls a tow truck and hauls your car away, or more like their car now. So the process of a repo is much the same. If a home is vacated there will be a legal process dictated by your state to get the home back. This will probably involve posting the home and certified mail. It might involve a date in court though not always. You take the old title and a repo slip provided by your state, sign off on the title and boom your done. Sell the home again. In Colorado there is no court requirement just a few lines on a paper to fill out. This is the final step after a home has been vacated before you can resell the property.

The timing is important- most of the parks look at the date of this document as a watermark as to when you, the lien holder become responsible for the monetary issues surrounding the home. So with that said, depending on your relationship with the park you might want to do this right away, or hold off on this final step- leaving the old homeowner on the hook for what is owed on the home. This will depend on how that park goes after old space rent and legal fees. If they require you to pay them, then they give you their judgement, you might as well get this step out of the way now. If they are happy to recover past space rent from the old owner and write off the debt in your favor... well, you might not go out of your way to get this done. Relationships with parks are the key so keep them solid!

Post: How much to pay for the Mobile Home your buying...

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This is a question I get all the time when dealing with people entering the mobile home market... and there are a whole bunch of answers. Lets start with one thing in mind, the less you pay- the quicker you recover your investment.
So with that said, lets break it down:
First you need to understand your own market- what will someone pay monthly for a home payment. A good place to look are the local apartment rentals. If a 3/2 apartment rents for $800 per month, that is a good place to start. Next we look at space rent. in my area it varies from $450 to $520 per month. That said, for the most part a payment on a 3/2 would come out to about $350 per month. That number will be higher if the home is a double wide, and less if it is old and junk.
I want you to notice, we have not talked about the type of home, age or anything yet. I set my purchase price on what I will get back, not on what I am buying. This is a very important part of the equation because it takes emotion out of the process.
So for everyone here, think about how quickly you want to RECOVER your investment. For me, the number is 12 months, 18 if the home is newer and nicer.
So lets back these numbers out and see what we have. My payment of $350 consists of what? $30 of it is insurance and the rest is payment. I have my owners pay their own taxes. So I am working with $320. Lets say this is an older home- so top $ is $3840. That is total money out- after every fee, tax and park manager is paid. It must also include fix up costs and space rent for however long it will sit. So our home needs taxes paid of $200, Title fees of $25, space rent for 45 days- say $600, and lets say the park manager found and sold the home for me, so add another $500. I pay the managers $250 per side, buy and sell on my deals. So I am at $3115 before cleaning a carpet or replacing a light bulb. Lets say this deal need some fix up. For the sake of argument lets say it has a couple of broken windows and needs carpet and deep cleaning. Lets value that at $1300. Now my top dollar is at $1815.
On a deal like this I would offer to take the home off their hands. If they did not take that I would probably pay $1750 tops as is. I would add they have to leave all of the appliances in working order.

Lets look at the selling options-

Lets say I sell it as a fix-up home. Say as is I would sell it for $7,000, no money down and payments of $200 per month. On a fix up I would escrow $25 for insurance leaving $175 of payments- or $2100 per year. After 56 payments i would have collected $9,800. I also charge $15 per month to service the note, so add $840. Grand total- $10,640. People love fix up homes, and my return looks good!

OK- lets fix this baby up and sell it for top $. Lets say we pump all of our money into the home and in the end we have $3800 in it. We sell it on payments of $350 for $15,500. So after 12 payments of $350 minus $30= $320 I have $3840. After the 75 payments I have collected $24,000 plus the $15/month $1,125 so $25,125. So that works out to about a 100% return yearly for 6.24 years.

The bottom line- how fast do you want your money back out of these deals. If your borrowing money to run this business you might not need the money out so quick. I am self funded so at this point I only spend what the business makes. Next- we can look at a higher price home that sells for more money on a long term, the numbers will excite you!

Last week I stopped into a local park and inquired about the homes that have been abandoned that the park did not have title to. In other posts I have mentioned about how this is a great way to get homes by bonding for title. in the conversation they gave me a lead on a home where they evicted the owner for non payment and the bank was just sitting on the home. Mobile homes receive their financing from several sources and local banks ore one of them. For the most part, a local bank has no clue what to do with a home after it goes bad. This is where you can step in and solve many problems all at once.
I looked at the home and much to mu surprise, it was a very nice looking double wide. I contacted the bank and they said I would have a call back soon with a price. They came back saying they were owed $15,000 but would take $3,000. At this time I had no access to the home so I called back and they told me I was free to enter. I called my contractor and he was inside within the hour. The bid to fix the home up was under $600, just some paint and kitchen flooring. I asked the bank what they had negotiated with the park concerning space rent, they had no contact with the park concerning space rent. So I offered to talk to the park and see what I could work out. I told the park I could buy the home but I needed to know what the past space rent due was. I was sure to let them know I was leaving the home in the park, and would work closely with them to find a good buyer. I should note, I have two other homes in this park and the transactions have gone well. The park liked my pitch and forgave all the back space rent, and gave me 45 days of free time to get the home fixed up and sold without a space rent payment. I sell 3 bedroom 2 bath double-wides for $25,000 on payments of $450/month. I will venture a guess this home will sell before the end of this month.

Local banks are a gold mine for finding deals. If you have a contact at your bank ask if they loan on mobile homes, and if the answer is no, ask if they ever have. Let the person in charge of delinquent accounts know if they ever have one go bad, you will be happy to look at the deal and make them an offer.

Be sure when talking to park managers to ask if there are homes that are vacant that the lenders are just sitting on. They will most of the time be willing to give you contact info for the bank so you can deal with them directly.

I should note I took what this bank wanted for the home without bartering with them. I knew how much I would have paid for this home and they were well inside of my number. Because the park was willing to remove the past space rent and give me 45 days free, the deal really made sense.

And to complete the story, the park gave me 5 additional homes with lien releases for me to bond for the titles. I have as much time as I need, again without space rent to renovate and sell these homes.

If your dreams do not keep you up at night, your not dreaming big enough.

Post: Some Mobile Home Questions

Jim Johnson
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When I look at a park, and I do not care about the size, I am looking for FSBO signs. The park probably will list and sell homes, and has some traditional financing sources but that is where you are not the competition but the solution. With the larger lenders most applicants will need a fico of 650 and 20% down. I have no down payment requirement (most of the time) and really do not care about the credit score. So a larger park here, 450 spaces, I will sell 25-30 homes in this year. They sold 4 of their own last year. Other homes will turn over in the park but I will clearly buy and sell about 60% of all the homes that move in the park. What you are looking for regardless of the parks size is friendly management. If they see the value in you keeping the park full you will have a great working relationship. Remember solving the parks problems might come at a price from time to time. I have paid a bit much for a park owned home- but it takes it off their books.
Example- The park has a 4/2 double wide in their inventory but it has not sold. If I am in a "cash happy" month I might say to the park the following-
I will give you the $9000 you want for this home if you presell it for $30,000 on payments of $465/month. This home comes with a space rent concession which gives one year of space rent at $199 a month, down from $449. I want that space rent to stay with me as a credit I can use anytime and at will. I might give a month of it to a buyer to 'entice' a sale. I might keep the credit to pay for my homes if I need to pay space rent. Lots of options here.

geesh... I am rambling....

Also.... I look for older homes. I do no business with parks that are aggressively upgrading their parks. Wait... not true. I will go to these parks and offer my service of moving homes they do not want out of their parks for a fee. They will get a title and then pay you PLUS give you the title to remove the home. Then you find a park that needs homes and pays you to move them into their park... are you following this. You get paid on the pull and placement of the home. So you might want to stop in these parks and offer that as a service.

ramble... ramble... ramble...