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All Forum Posts by: Joe Young

Joe Young has started 5 posts and replied 42 times.

Post: First Investment Purchase?

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Originally posted by @Paul De Luca:

@Joe Young

  1. Is this multi-family?
  2. What market are you in? The cap rate makes me think it's an A class neighborhood.
  3. What is included in "Other Cost"? I don't see utilities broken out so I will assume that's included but that seems like a pretty large expense.
  4. What is the age of all the CapEx? Condition of the roof, mechanicals, siding, etc are important.

Take what the seller and listing agent are saying about the repairs & maintenance and tenants. You need to do your own due diligence by getting an inspection and request deposit/collection statements of tenant rents in the past 12 months. You'll want an attorney to review all of the tenant leases as well.

Hey Paul, thanks for taking the time.  

It is a 4 unit building in an A class area, but sort of the B class section, if that makes sense. 

The other expenses include $3600 for water, $4021 for fuel, $2650 for trash, and $1050 listed as "other" on the MLS. Tenants pay rent and electricity.

It is written that the unit was Rehabbed in 2019, but as for the specifics such as the roof, I can't be certain without following up.  Concrete foundation, asphalt/shingle roof, that's all I have.

 

Post: First Investment Purchase?

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Hey everyone,

I am looking to purchase my first building and would like some counsel from experienced investors.  Attached at the bottom of this post, you will find a link to a calculator where I have input all of the information for the property.  A cap rate of 4.85% makes me a bit nervous, but this property is in a great location and according to the seller and listing agent, is in need of 0 repairs and is fully rented with reliable tenants.  Am I rushing?  Should I hold out for a better deal?  Is there more information needed to make an informed decision?  If you have time to look over the numbers, I would really appreciate it!

https://www.calculator.net/ren...

Post: Need help with problem tenant

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I would contact a lawyer to see if you are able to present the tenant with that contract.  I'm not a lawyer, but "Leave or else" sounds like shaky ground to me and probably isn't binding or something that the tenant would sign anyway.  Your best bet is to probably call the police or not renew the lease.  Start eviction if it becomes an issue thereafter.

Understanding real estate investing in my eyes is really what can take an agent to the next level.  Satisfied clients will be thrilled with you and give you referrals, but satisfied investors will do the same while continuing to buy more property!

Post: Newly Licensed in Illinois

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Thank you all for responding!  @John Warren I will be sure to check out Tom Ferry as well as the Keeping It Real podcast, @Jonathan Klemm.  I have a family member looking to buy in the next year, and another looking to sell.  It'll be a good practice run as my family is unlikely to sue me (kidding).  I will have a mentor for my first couple of transactions at the brokerage I signed with, a friend that I grew up with that also put me in our current home.  I am hoping it'll be a smooth start.

@Stephen Jones I gained a lot of general knowledge throughout the course that will be useful, and if nothing else was simply interesting.  For a couple hundred bucks, I feel it was the right decision.  As it pertains to investing, my wife and I planned on purchasing our first investment property this year actually, but given the climate, we have decided to hold off until the dust settles.  Likely tax increases to follow the pandemic response, election coming up, interest rates so low that property values are jumping (to later be followed by a plummet due to foreclosures after the tax increase?), just too many uncertainties for us to buy our first so we went with liquidity for the time being.  

Post: Newly Licensed in Illinois

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After reading up on real estate and deciding I wanted to begin purchasing rental properties, I decided to take a real estate class just to broaden my knowledge.  After completing the class, I figured I might as well take the licensing test.  Well, I passed. 

I am now wondering what I should expect and what steps I should take for success. I have contacted a Brokerage that I plan on joining (not one of the big guys, so I only pay $199/$399 per sale, $39 monthly, and $1000-$1200 yearly for the MLS (not sure on the number). So, great! I will keep my commission and not be destroyed by fees. Other than that though, I have no idea what to expect. They are going to send me paperwork tomorrow to review and eventually sign. Then what? Order business cards and start hitting the local bars?

I would GREATLY appreciate any advice, step by step what to expect, do's and dont's, or whatever else you believe may be valuable knowledge going into this blindly.  

Thank you all and I look forward to reading, responding, and picking your brains!


Post: Share Your Retirement Age

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Originally posted by @Matt M.:

@Joe Splitrock

I am 45, I have no plans to retire. I don’t know how to relax. Our door buying plan is so my wife can retire early as she strongly dislikes her career.

I will retire when I either can’t physically work anymore or am dead.

 I love it

Post: Ready to buy a Rental!

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Originally posted by @Crystal Smith:
Originally posted by @Joe Young:

Hey everyone, I believe I am now in a position to begin earning passive income.  I posted once before on the topic but now am really ready to move forward.  I have a few ideas and look forward to bouncing them off of all of you.  Seeing as there is no character limit to the post, let's start with some relevant and less relevant background!

I live with my wife and dog in the southwest suburbs of Chicago in a 2b2b condo that I purchased to begin our marriage.  I chose this property based on it having such great value for the area.  Anyone from Illinois understands the taxes here are a pain, so at a surprisingly low $1456 per year (with a first time home buyer exemption that I may have saved for a more permanent residence, not that I had the choice two years ago) and a purchase price of $110,000 with current value estimated around $125,000 in only two years, we started off on the right foot... I think.  Point being, we have managed to limit our housing expenses, build equity, and save enough to where we have $50,000 that we are ready to invest.

A friend of mine has been advising me up to this point who has done very well with rentals.  He has somewhere between 40 and 50 rental units in a number of 4 to 6 unit buildings.  Although I haven't taken this option off of the table, all of his buildings are class C properties which seem a bit less attractive to me.  I have helped him out at his buildings a few times and met a fair number of his tenants and although the strategy is working, the buildings are fairly run down, the grass is dead and overgrown in places, the parking lots are a bit rough, there is trash surrounding the dumpsters due to tenants that take no pride in living there, and it just doesn't feel like me.  I'm not sure I'd be happy seeing them every day and calling them mine or inviting people to live in them.  Not only that, but with a more run down building and lower income tenants, I feel like there will be more damages to the units, more frequent evictions, etc.  Am I making a mistake by putting less of a preference on this option?  The thought is that if I move up to B class, the money saved by less frequent repairs, fewer evictions, longer term tenants with no vacancy will outweigh the difference in predicted cap rate.  So the first two options are B class building, C class building, but what about a single unit?

The more I have studied real estate (just finished my pre-licensing course), the more it seems like a single unit would be a bad idea whereas before it seemed like the most attractive option to me. Given the rules and regulations that an HOA presents to homeowners, I feel like a bad tenant could really put me as the owner in a rough position. However, I also feel that I would have the benefit of starting out with just one tenant to get my feet wet, an HOA to take care of just about everything that I would have to do myself outside of a building otherwise (although it'll cut into my cash flow, but my time is valuable too!), and neighbors that are more commonly owners which, combined with the HOA, would keep the community looking much nicer and increase the desirability of the unit.

So that's where I'm at so far, choosing my first investment property between a C class building, or a B class building or unit (B class 4 unit is likely too expensive, so that might be out of the picture). An FHA loan for an owner occupied four unit building isn't an option either. My wife and I discussed it and don't wish to live in the same buildings as our tenants, especially in the event that it's a C class building.

I look forward to hearing what all of you might have to say, thank you for taking the time to read.

A strategy to consider, used by many investors, is to purchase what you are calling a Class C building and make it Class B.  The commercial definition of Class C is a building that is more than 20 years old and located in "A less desirable neighborhood".  The key to gentrification is converting buildings from Class C to Class B. Class A usually means a teardown and starting over.  In my opinion, for Chicago proper, it's about blocks versus neighborhoods. And believe it or not- You'll get top $, good tenants & depending on the location it will appreciate.  So my recommendation- Look for the turn-key B class that meets your Cash Flow criteria and also look for the C class that's in the right location & can be converted to a B Class.

Regarding a single unit- Lots of investors have made a ton of $ this way. Here's where it will drive you nuts until you have a nice portfolio. With a single unit when it's not occupied there's no cash flow. That always drove us nuts hence we stopped buying them for cash flow. With that said though lots of folks have become wealthy over a period of time, so it works.

I appreciate the information, another strategy to consider!  Thank you.

Originally posted by @Ronnie Goode:
Originally posted by @Joe Young:
Originally posted by @Ronnie Goode:
Originally posted by @Joe Young:

Someone else was just recently having the same dilemma. If you are open to the idea of buying a 4 unit building, you can obtain an FHA loan and only put 3.5% down, fill the other 3 units with tenants, live in the fourth unit yourself, and they will cover your mortgage almost if not fully. This will stop you from paying rent monthly and your money will go into equity. Even if those three units don't cover all of the expenses, whatever you put into it you will see again.

This doesn't sound like a bad strategy. The FHA loan only requiring a 3.5% down payment is attractive and advantageous. I'm assuming that I would be able to rent out the unit that I will be occupying in about 1-2 years. I think the requirement is actually 1 year.

FHA on 2-4 unit buildings from what I have seen is how most people get their start. Either right when you start or when you move out, you are cash flow positive every month, so now you have your income from your day job helping you obtain cash, and monthly income from the property while equity is being built. It's probably the best starter strategy IF you know what you're getting into and are prepared to handle issues that arise.

 By issues do you mean mainly dealing with the other tenant(s)? Collecting rents, responding to maintenance requests etc.? 

 Collecting rent, maintenance expenses, non payment, vacancies, evictions, tenants that are difficult to live near or listen to, etc.  The potential issues are endless and you need to be sure you have the patience and money to handle them.

Originally posted by @Ronnie Goode:
Originally posted by @Joe Young:

Someone else was just recently having the same dilemma. If you are open to the idea of buying a 4 unit building, you can obtain an FHA loan and only put 3.5% down, fill the other 3 units with tenants, live in the fourth unit yourself, and they will cover your mortgage almost if not fully. This will stop you from paying rent monthly and your money will go into equity. Even if those three units don't cover all of the expenses, whatever you put into it you will see again.

This doesn't sound like a bad strategy. The FHA loan only requiring a 3.5% down payment is attractive and advantageous. I'm assuming that I would be able to rent out the unit that I will be occupying in about 1-2 years. I think the requirement is actually 1 year.

FHA on 2-4 unit buildings from what I have seen is how most people get their start. Either right when you start or when you move out, you are cash flow positive every month, so now you have your income from your day job helping you obtain cash, and monthly income from the property while equity is being built. It's probably the best starter strategy IF you know what you're getting into and are prepared to handle issues that arise.

I bought a 2b2b condo before getting married for my wife and I to start out in, and we rented the 2nd bedroom for a year before she moved in, and another 6 months after she had moved in.  Much smaller scale, but we didn't pay a mortgage for nearly 2 years because even room rent was enough to offset our mortgage.  Had I known about FHAs back then, I may have selected that strategy.  It isn't off the table entirely, but for an affordable building we may have to take a step backward in terms of housing quality to move forward in investing.