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All Forum Posts by: John Nachtigall

John Nachtigall has started 9 posts and replied 305 times.

Post: It's decided: Cleveland or BUST!

John NachtigallPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 698

I work with @James Wise at Holton-Wise.   I have 4 duplex and have been very happy with all the services, broker, property manager, insurance, and title company.   RegardIess, I strongly endorse his service of analyzing properties before you buy them even if you use a separate realtor.   It is invaluable local experience on rents and costs personalized for your potential property.   Example below.    Worth every penny.  

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Post: what do do about utility theft?

John NachtigallPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 698

Not a single reply where you ask them to stop? Ok, I will be weird.

Go over to the neighbor and talk to them.  Tell them in a pleasant tone that you have noticed they are using your spigot and ask if there is something wrong with theirs.   Don't be confrontational, be neighborly.  Then if it continues you can have it removed, or locked, or call the police or whatever.  But the shortest distance to solving this problem is to ask them to stop.

Post: Help me correct the course of this ship

John NachtigallPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 698

I would echo @Steve Cook on this

I think one of the things that prevents people from being successful with money is they think that have to get maximum returns every time.   Could you have bought a run down off market property and lived in it for 2 years while you did the repairs yourself to save money and come out with proportionally more equity.....yes.    Does that mean that your current situation is "bad"....no.

You own a new home, receiving the benefits of appreciation, mortgage paydown, and interest deduction (assuming you dont use the standard deduction).   So you are in the 80th percentile instead of the 95th....so what.   You are not missing out, you are beating the average.  

Relax.  Congratulations on your new home.   If you want to pour your energy into real estate then super, look forward, not behind, and pick a new goal.  

Post: Whats it like to invest in C or D class properties?

John NachtigallPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 698

I have no personal knowledge, but having read many accounts from class C/D landlords here on BP (some enthusiastic, some not) I tend to notice some trends

1.  No one goes from Class B to Class C/D.   They start in Class C/D and move up eventually, never the other way.   Despite the siren song of higher profits, you never see people sell the class A/B portfolio and more down in class.

2. Very few seem to stay in it for the entirety of their careers.   There are a lot of stories about owning 100s of class C/D rentals, but very few about how they reluctantly sold them.  Most stories are about how they got people started, but very few seem content to stay in that category.

3. Every single one mentions challenge of collecting rent.   Even the most enthusiastic supporter.    It is obvious it requires someone to track rent down every month without fail.    Almost all also mention that the spreadsheet never equals reality.   Sometimes it is close, but then there is a story about a tenet that does something outrageously amazing and there goes at least some of the profits.  

4.  The most successful always talk about not over improving.   The word "basic" is always used quite liberally.  

Like I said, I have no personal knowledge, but I do notice the trends.   When I was buying my properties I looked at the above list and decided it was not for me, despite the increased theoretical cash flow.    The risk is not worth this....

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Originally posted by @William Jaroske:
Originally posted by @John Nachtigall:
Originally posted by @Jamie Whitmer:

I awake this morning with a troubled soul. Is anyone else thinking of bailing out of America and establishing a 2nd residency? If so, where are you going? Panama, Ecuador, Malaysia, etc.? I work in legal. I cannot ignore the fact that our legal system has been invalidated, and that once that has crumbled, we do not have a country. A system of law. Private property rights. This is not trending well. The point is not how to navigate around eviction moratoriums. The point is that our authorities have declared war upon us by criminalizing going to work and seizing our private property. Am I just supposed to keep making deals and working, keeping my fingers crossed that my accounts don't get seized too? 

Who else is leaving?  Where are you headed?

I am headed nowhere.   I understand your despair but perhaps you can consider finding some perspective.  This may be the worst thing to happen in your lifetime (debatable), but not the worst thing to happen to America

-  War of Independence from a undeniably more powerful world power in which New York, Philadelphia, and countless other battles were lost for many years before any success

- Open Rebellion:   Not thought of much today but George Washington had troops fire on protesters.   Look up the Whiskey Rebellion

- Slavery

- Civil War

- Depressions Great and Small

- World Wars including the internment of Americans for race (Japanese)  against their will without due process or redress.  

- Riots of the 1950s and 60s leading to the civil rights movement and laws.   

In America you have the freedom to believe that your freedoms have been infringed, that all is lost, and there is no hope.   That is your right.   But a quick review of history shows that the country has withstood many tests that have brought down other countries.   It is not luck that the USA is the world's oldest democracy.  

I don't agree with the mayors letting the rioters run roughshod, I don't agree with defund the police, I think the government made a terrible strategic mistake to provide an eviction moratorium, creating a hole that gets bigger every day without any plan to fix it.   I think a lot of mistakes have been made.

But I am confident this too shall pass.   The foundation is not cracking, the republic will stand, and we will be stronger for having persevered.   I wish you good luck in whatever you decide.  

It depends how you look at this too shall pass. Since you know your history well. However; we lost much of our freedoms already due to elitism, statism, and other wicked  ideologies. It will get worse before it gets better. Credit scores will get dinged a lot as mayhem hits the wall with bankruptcy on the rise. They will be contacting me since I am in the credit restoration industry. 

@Jamie Whitmer   I completely understand.   I had my "Life is ruined, we are all F***ed" moment in April. 
I had 6 of 8 units empty and looking for tenets right as they shut down the country. All I can say is take a deep breath and remember it is never as good or bad as it appears.  There is going to be pain and I am not going to lie, some people are going to be ruined by this, but the country is not disappearing

@William Jaroske   This too shall pass means that private property is not going to be seized.   Contracts will eventually be enforced and access to the courts will be restored.    To be clear, as I said above some people will be ruined in the process without a doubt, but it will happen.   Storms pass, but they leave damage behind. I can't agree with your assessment of freedom having been lost, but you have your opinion and I have mine.

I can appreciate the government was in a difficult spot and let a temporary ban go on way too long because once it got started they just didn't know how to stop it.   It is black letter law that canceling the rent is a taking and if they do that they are looking at hundreds of billions or more in payouts.  on the other hand no politician wants to allow 30+ million evictions.  In general, I see this playing out 1 of 2 ways for rent.  

Option A (less probable):   They offer 50% to landlords to wipe the debt.   It will have to be voluntary because otherwise it will be ruled a "taking".    But landlords will take it because 50% is better than 0.  Smaller impact to landlords, some go bankrupt, but most just struggle through.   No long term impact to the system.  

Option B (most probable):   They end the moratorium and tell the landlords to recover the money in court but no eviction for that debt.   The vast majority will not try or there will be no money to recover and landlords will have to eat the loss.   This results in many smaller landlords selling the buildings and a general reshuffling of the ownership, but no long term change in real estate because the reality is that no city wants to actually own low income housing.   People will be hurt and some ruined, but no change to the system.  

Mortgages are easier, they will just have banks tact the missed payments on the end.   This will save quite a few landlords, but not all because of the other expenses like property taxes and repairs.  

It is a ****** situation, the reality is that there are no good answers.   I disagree with the policies they have chosen and the balance they have chosen to strike regarding economy vs deaths, but I acknowledge that there was no choice that was not going to hurt a lot of people.   This is just something we have to endure unfortunately, there is no easy solution.  

Originally posted by @Jamie Whitmer:

I awake this morning with a troubled soul. Is anyone else thinking of bailing out of America and establishing a 2nd residency? If so, where are you going? Panama, Ecuador, Malaysia, etc.? I work in legal. I cannot ignore the fact that our legal system has been invalidated, and that once that has crumbled, we do not have a country. A system of law. Private property rights. This is not trending well. The point is not how to navigate around eviction moratoriums. The point is that our authorities have declared war upon us by criminalizing going to work and seizing our private property. Am I just supposed to keep making deals and working, keeping my fingers crossed that my accounts don't get seized too? 

Who else is leaving?  Where are you headed?

I am headed nowhere.   I understand your despair but perhaps you can consider finding some perspective.  This may be the worst thing to happen in your lifetime (debatable), but not the worst thing to happen to America

-  War of Independence from a undeniably more powerful world power in which New York, Philadelphia, and countless other battles were lost for many years before any success

- Open Rebellion:   Not thought of much today but George Washington had troops fire on protesters.   Look up the Whiskey Rebellion

- Slavery

- Civil War

- Depressions Great and Small

- World Wars including the internment of Americans for race (Japanese)  against their will without due process or redress.  

- Riots of the 1950s and 60s leading to the civil rights movement and laws.   

In America you have the freedom to believe that your freedoms have been infringed, that all is lost, and there is no hope.   That is your right.   But a quick review of history shows that the country has withstood many tests that have brought down other countries.   It is not luck that the USA is the world's oldest democracy.  

I don't agree with the mayors letting the rioters run roughshod, I don't agree with defund the police, I think the government made a terrible strategic mistake to provide an eviction moratorium, creating a hole that gets bigger every day without any plan to fix it.   I think a lot of mistakes have been made.

But I am confident this too shall pass.   The foundation is not cracking, the republic will stand, and we will be stronger for having persevered.   I wish you good luck in whatever you decide.  

Post: Lots of free time, no funds

John NachtigallPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 698

People are always looking to good property managers which is a tedious, grinding, underappreciated job.   If I were you I would consider trying offer your services as a property manager/project manager to some of the "movers and shakers" in your market.   You will get to simultaneously learn the business while making contacts with the important people in the local market.    I don't think you will make much money, but I would consider it an investment, and you can make enough to live on in the meantime.  

Real estate investors come in all shapes and sizes but one of the universal complaints in that they can't find property managers that care about their investments as much as they do.  Seems to me that there is a niche to be exploited there.  

Good Luck

Post: The Los Angeles Nightmare

John NachtigallPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 698
Originally posted by @Rory Kinnear:

Real Estate is a long term prospect and one with risks, and you cannot expect the government to allow the homelessness crisis to spiral further out of control just to mitigate the risks of your investment portfolio. This is a once in a lifetime (hopefully) crisis. I don't think it's rational to expect your investments to perform as they always have during a time like this while folks are evicted onto the streets. Obviously there will be tenants who take advantage of these protections who don't need it, and there are aspects of these laws that go too far. A failed investment is not quite so bad as homelessness, and the homeless crisis that is looming absent some form of protection will be bad for everyone, including investors.

I am currently struggling with my lodger as he was laid off and cannot find work of any kind in his industry, and my work has been cut in half too. I chose that risk when I bought my property, and selected my tenant well, and saved for contingencies. 

LA is a wonderful place to invest, with high appreciation and low supply. It does not come without strings attached however.

Rory I think you post is sincere and I understand your point.   I certainly agree that in times of crisis the government has a duty to protect the health and welfare of its citizens.   And I also agree that in some limited circumstances that includes the temporary infringement of their fundamental Constitutional rights.   For example the stay at home order certainly restricts everyone's right to speech, assemble, and other fundamental rights.  

That said, I think history has shown us that in times of crisis it is easy to restrict rights without considering the consequences, short and long term.   I also think that we are also approaching a point where "temporary" is a debatable point.  The simple fact is that housing is not a constitutional right, but enforcement of contracts, access to the courts, and property rights are.  There are some people who think that should change, but until it does those are simply the facts.    

The government can not indefinitely extend the enforcement of the contracts.   It can not force people to prevent homelessness by defacto forcing the property owner to house people for free.  And it can not prevent access to the courts to address these grievances.  Can it delay these things for a few months in the face of a crisis, certainly.   But as of now in California especially, landlords are looking at several years before they are able to legally attempt to collect the rent.   I think a reasonable person might believe this is an unjustifiable intrusion on their Constitutional rights and certainly not temporary.  

Additionally, as a practical matter the policies are not effective.   Sure, the eviction ban has prevented evictions.   But the logic behind that is that 50% of the population does not have even $400 for an emergency.   So how then, are they going to be able to pay a lump sum worth 8+ months of rent a year from now.   Again, with no realistic chance of recovery, you are forcing landlords to house people for free.  It is the governments responsibility to protect the people, not the private landlords.   If they get the privilege of that responsibility (emergency declarations) they can not off-load the responsibility.  

And since we have denied people the chance to access the courts to address the issue we are already seeing an increase in "self-help" evictions.   You cant back people into a corner and expect them not to react.  By your statements you expect owners to be responsible, have emergency funds, eat the losses.   But you don't seem to have the same expectations for renters.   Why would one group of citizens be expected to carry the burden for everyone?   There is not an expectation that grocery stores and restaurants give away food for free.   Or cars be given away for transportation needs.   

If governments want to protect against evictions they have other options.   For example, preventing evictions but paying for rent, perhaps even at a reduced rate of 80% would be a reasonable balance between the needs of the state of the infringement of rights.  Of course they dont want to do that because of the staggering amount of money that would cost.    But that is exactly my point.   Why should a small group (landlords) be forced to bear that cost when society as a whole (if you believe the progressive economists) benefits from the prevention of evictions.  

In conclusion, I think it is much bigger than "Landlords need to Have a Heart".   I think there are fundamental Constitutional rights that are in danger of being infringed without regard to both the practical and principle consequences.  

Note:  I do own rental property, but not in California.  So I am not directly impacted by CA Landlord policies.   For me, as a citizen of CA and the USA, it is about the fundamental principles of government policies and the rights of all citizens.  

Post: What would you do in my shoes?

John NachtigallPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 324
  • Votes 698

I am in a very similar situation.   Northern California, high paying primary job.    My advice is syndications.

You have a high paying job and 4 kids and a wife, you don't need more active investments to take your time.   You want long term appreciation where someone else does the day to day.   Syndications last 3-10 years on average, are run by professionals who do this for a living (assuming you use experienced sponsors), you can invest in any area of real estate (MF, Office, Industrial), in any geography, and most importantly are 100% passive once you invest.   After you give them the money you are along for the ride (positive or negative)

Sites like RealCrowd and CrowdStreet offer no pressure ways to look at syndication deals while you learn about how they work and what to look for.   There is a ton of information to educate yourself that you can adsorb on your own time.   And you can spread your risk around with different sponsors, types, and locations.   You will also get the tax benefit because they issue K-1s every year so the early years are usually paper losses.   

I forgot to add that if you make more than $150,000 a year you dont get the tax advantages of direct real estate, so direct ownership does not help your tax bill which is one of the primary advantages of direct ownership.  


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I am in the "what issue?" camp.   I am single, no pets, and I have a 3 bedroom town home.  1 Master, 1 office, and 1 room for my parents who visit 1 week a year.   

I find it interesting that landlords don't care about tenets personal issues, but then they try to find out about tenets personal issues.   If she is qualified, does not damage the property, and pays rent on time why would you EVER care about what she is doing with her 3 bedrooms?   If she turned one into a sex dungeon for the cats would it matter?   Let her have her "quiet enjoyment" and stop filling in story.