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All Forum Posts by: Jordan Fiore

Jordan Fiore has started 8 posts and replied 151 times.

Post: Are you finding the 1% rule or positive cash flow? Is the 1% rule dead now?

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Clayton Silva:

In my opinion, the 1% rule was never alive.  It is a really bad metric for determining the value of the investment.  It was always meant to just be a quick rule of thumb to see if the investment was worth digging into further, but was never intended to be the golden rule by which one should invest.  So many investors I see make this mistake and it costs them dearly down the road.  

Why the 1% rule is meaningless:

It does not tell you anything about the property itself, is the property in good condition or does it need significant repairs?  Is the neighborhood, town, submarket, and market appreciating or depreciating?  Is the rental market stagnant or growing?  Who are the tenants?  What do they do for work and what industries is the town dependent on?  What are the tax benefits if any in the area is it in an opportunity zone or anything like that?  What is the highest and best use of the property?  Is cashflow even the correct goal for you and your investing strategy based on your income, tax liability, and other factors?  

The 1% rule, in my opinion, made a lot of lazy investors who were unwilling to do the work to actually learn about what they were investing in and it cost them a lot.  I know there are a lot of people that will disagree with me, so I would implore them to answer any of the questions above based on the 1% rule.  

There is no single rule, no magic get rich quick option, no easy path in real estate investing and a lot of people are learning that the hard way in the current environment.

Just my 10 cents.


 I agree that its a good tool to figure out if something is worth digging into but definitely doesn't mean if something is a good investment or not. It is more of a time saver when evaluating properties. With some of these property taxes and expenses, it needs to be changed to the 1.2% rule:)

Post: 3-4 Unit FHA

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133

Correction! It is 75% of total fair market rent value that has to cover the PITI.

Post: 3-4 Unit FHA

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133

Hey All,

This is just a reminder post on the FHA rule on 3-4 unit buildings. I have seen this issue come up 2-3 times in the last couple months pertaining to FHA buyer wanting to house hack a 3-4 unit building here in Cincinnati. Since the 4 units are taxed commercially their tax rate is around 3%+, which can put a serious dent into the numbers.

FHA requires that the net rental income of a 3-4 unit property be equal to or greater than the monthly mortgage payment (PITI), ensuring the property can cover its expenses.

Ever since the massive reassessment across Hamilton county a little bit ago, this has become a serious problem for the 4 units priced $400k+ to hit this requirement. Make sure your lender knows about this up front because they could have been in the industry for 10+ years but only now come across this problem.

Jordan

Post: FHA House Hack

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133

Having $20,000–$35,000 in cash saved is a very feasible and realistic target. Accounts for some immediate repairs needed. If maintaining capital is top priority, look to get $10k in seller credits for closing.

Also, the FHA requires that the net rental income of a 3-4 unit property be equal to or greater than the monthly mortgage payment (PITI), ensuring the property can cover its expenses. Just in case you change to a 3-4 unit building.

Post: Will I be able to get a loan?

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133

House Hacking! great idea. A few different routes you may go here but I am assuming you will want the low down payment option, rather than a DSCR loan. I have helped numerous house hackers and location matters of course. Feel free to reach out with any questions.

Post: Central Air vs. Mini Splits

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Alan Asriants:

Do you have duct work in the property? If so, just add a condensor/compressor to the existing hot air furnace for central air. 


 I am with Alan on this one. If ductwork is in place CORRECTLY then definitely just add an AC unit to the furnace.

Post: new member from cincinnati

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133

Welcome to Cincy! A lot of different opportunity here, make sure to do your due diligence to decide which route is the best fit for you. I am a resource here if need be

Post: Small Single Family Rentals in Growing Area

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133

Location will determine quite a bit here. A lot of question marks moving forward with CMHA at the moment, sticking to finding market rent comps is the safer bet. Price of these in the B or better location is going to make it tough to be in the green immediately. You should look to potentially making a unit or 2 MTR/STR to make the numbers work. Reach out if you want to connect and need some help!

Post: New investor in Cincinnati looking to get into the game

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133

Welcome Brad! The greatest teacher will always be experience. The goal is to mitigate the risk as much as possible with finding a good location and solid property. Cash flow might take a bit of a back seat but building a team you can trust and building experience are top priorities in my eyes. Best of luck!

Post: Does this property make sense to hold onto?

Jordan Fiore
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 161
  • Votes 133
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Jordan Miller most Class A & B rental properties bought since 2021 really don't cashflow from day one.

Class B will take 1-3 years to start showing cashflow.

Class A, 3-5 years.

Current investors keep making the mistake of looking back at deals from 5-10 years ago when prices & interest rates were both a lot lower, but NOT rental rates. So, an investor could easily cashflow right away.

Those days are over.

Landlording is a long-term play.


 This. Also, I am assuming since you house hacked that you only did 5% down, which then increases your mortgage payments compared to 25% down buyers. Would need to know about locations of your buildings and current rents to see if there is anything that can be done now to get numbers a bit better.