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All Forum Posts by: Joel Barron

Joel Barron has started 4 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: Beginning investor in the Capital District, NY

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Steve Hoghe:

Joel and Don, being that you're software developers, I'm curious to hear your take on the whole "Tech Valley" thing. I've read a bit about this some and interested to see if there is some real momentum behind it. Any insider thoughts?  

 Hey again Steve - from what I know - there is a decent amount of hardware & nanotech going on... more so than traditional software startups like you've got in NY or SF... it's on my list of things to do to start doing some networking and figure out what's going on... it seems that most of the activity is north of the twin bridges... 

Post: Lost our first bid

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Steve Hoghe:

Joel, sorry to hear about your narrow miss! I'm curious, where was this property you end up putting in a bid on? I was reading the other thread you started where people were discussing some different areas around Albany/Troy. And what was the price point (if you don't mind me asking)? I've been eyeballing Albany from afar (grew up there) but curious to hear what kinds of numbers it takes to make a deal there work. 

 Hey Steve - thanks - the property was at 874 Warren St. - they put it on at $195k, which, based on the other properties I've looked at in the area (probably ~12-15) was way underpriced.  We bid $206.5k and lost out.  I'll be interested to see what it ended up going for.  The listing agent told my agent that they wanted a quick sale (which they got) and that was the reason for the low price.  House was really well maintained, owner occupied for like 20 years... we could have gone in higher and it still would have been a great pickup but such is life.  I think market price is ~$220k.

Post: Beginning investor in the Capital District, NY

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Paul Mendel:

Hello, 

Another Albany native here, Pine Hills is not likely where you want to move your wife into if your concerned about "live-ability" Your really going to want to look more into the New Scotland areas, Pine Hills(Madison Ave area) has unfortunately gotten significantly rougher and can get a bit rowdy when College is in full swing. 

Unfortunately the 2-family price point from Pine Hills to New Scotland jumps a good 50-75k making them alot less profitable but a much better area, Hug AMC as best as you can on the west side for the best shot at the best tenants.

Also if you didn't know when your running your numbers Albany JUST passed a new garbage fee.  Add $180/y per every unit over a single family. 

I Have 2 2-families in Albany and manage 3 more so I'm pretty involved in the area, Feel free to reach out if I can help at all.

 Thanks Paul - the plan is to live in this property for 1-2 years and then move on... I know the area fairly well as I went to UAlbany... but I understand where you're coming from.

Did not know about the garbage fee... good to know.

Lets connect here, and if you're interested and want to fill out a quick survey I'm doing of property owners/managers that'd be sweet!  http://goo.gl/forms/fGLzZVhWLu

Post: Beginning investor in the Capital District, NY

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Dan Hilton:

Joel I'm glad I stumbled upon this post. I've also wanted to get involved in a RE tech (personally thinking more open source) product but I'm not sure what would be truly useful for seasoned investors. I'm a backend (Ruby on Rails) and iOS developer, I would love to contribute to a project if you come up with an interesting idea.

 Hey thanks Dan - lets connect and I'll tell you more...

Post: Beginning investor in the Capital District, NY

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Don B.:

Hey Joel, 

Our stories are quite similar, I'm a software dev looking to buy my first multi-fam in albany as well!

I wouldn't mind comparing notes with another person, as I'm sure we are going to be viewing a lot of the same houses. For example I inspected 4 (disappointing) houses last weekend and could probably save you a bit of time!

 Hey Don - yes we're probably seeing most of the same listings... we've looked at pretty much everything in our target area and the stuff that is sitting on the market is in tough shape... good properties at good prices seem to move quickly.

Post: Beginning investor in the Capital District, NY

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Peter Rowell:

Hey Joel,

I'm right across the river in Albany. There are a fair amount of duplex opportunities in Albany and all you have to do is shoot across the bridge to the train. Not sure what involvement you want on the management end, but with UAlbany and St. Rose, there is a decent demand for student rentals which could cash flow pretty well.

 Hey Peter - totally looking in Albany... between S. Main / Rt 85 is my target area... pretty good area for us to live and great rentability as you say thanks to all the colleges/hospitals/etc...

Post: Beginning investor in the Capital District, NY

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @John Mcfadden:

I am an attorney from Albany and I invest in real estate on the side.  I think you will find the Capitol region a great place to invest in real estate.  The properties cash flow really well.  I prefer Troy, NY for my rentals as the prices are reasonable and that area is slowly improving.  I never have an issue finding tenants.  Troy is approximately 15 minutes from the train station.  However, if you want to be closer to the train Rensselaer could work well since you'd be right by the train station.

 Thanks John!  Honestly, getting into real estate was one of the reasons we decided to relocate [back] up here after we got married last summer... I'd consider Troy as I know it's getting better, but I haven't really seen any areas over there where I'd want to live personally... downtown has gotten much better since I left ~10 years ago, but I want a yard/driveway and the areas with multi-fams surrounding downtown just aren't that nice from what I've seen... I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong on that.  Same issue with Rensselaer - it's just not great livability-wise for me and my wife.

In the future when I'm ready to go for property 2+ I'll be thrilled to look in these areas.

Post: Beginning investor in the Capital District, NY

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Andy Luick:

I haven't run through the market in a couple of years....but there are always deals in albany and troy...schenectady...that whole area.  Have you looked into doing a 203 loan and getting a triplex or a quad.  Perfect way to buy for owner occupied.  I've looked at taking myrentedroom up there as I grew up in the area and have a ton of friends there.  There are still some really cheap places to be had..problem is....for me....the taxes are a killer up there!

I'm originally from the area as well - just moved back after ~10 years of being downstate.

From the places I've been looking at, the taxes are a big factor in whether it makes financial sense or not... have not really looked into a 203 loan... I've got about $45k to work with all in for this first property but I'd prefer to only put out about $30k.  Ideally I'll find something that gets our monthly expenses <$500, but obviously living for free would be better... we are mainly looking in Albany (uptown/Pine Hills area) because it's got a good combination of location, rentability, and livability for us.

Post: Lost our first bid

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Michael Noto:

welcome to BP @Joel Barron  

At least you are at the point where you can spot a good deal. Now it will just be a matter of time before you land a deal. Every investor goes through a similar learning curve. 

Best of luck!

By the way, I am jealous you live closer than me to Saratoga race track. I love that place!

 Thanks Michael - if I didn't need to be in NYC regularly for my day job I'd be looking in Toga for sure... great little town (with low taxes thanks to that race track :))

Post: Beginning investor in the Capital District, NY

Joel BarronPosted
  • Software Designer
  • Albany, NY
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Andy Luick:

There are a ton of decent deals in that whole area.  You might want to look a bit further north in south glens falls, hudson fall and fort edward.  Probably wind up with welfare rental but they cashflow all day long.....luck!

 Thanks Andy!  The trouble with that thought is that I'm looking to owner-occupy and I take the train to NYC regularly for my day job... so I'm geographically pretty limited with this initial property.  Appreciate the input though!