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All Forum Posts by: Justin Goodin

Justin Goodin has started 180 posts and replied 968 times.

Post: I spent $33,836 renovating this apartment unit.

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
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I spent $33,836 renovating this unit.

Here's the breakdown:

-Quartz Countertops: $3,500
-Heat Pump System: $5,500
-SS Appliances: $1,773
-LVP 20 MIL Flooring: $4,406
-White Shaker Cabinets: $4,000
-Washer & Dyer: $400
-Bathroom accessories, ceiling fans, black matte fixtures, toilets, light fixtures, faucets, etc. : $2,347
-Paint, all new doors, plumbing fixtures, drywall work, garbage disposal, carpet, bathtub: $3,934
-Labor: $7,976

The previous owner did not do any updates to this unit for the last 25 years!

My goal here was to replace all major components and renovate to a premium level finish in order to charge market rent.

By installing high quality finishes, I am setting this property up to be a low maintenance long term hold 📈

What kind of renovation costs are you currently spending on your properties?

Post: (Simply Explained) Most common return metrics

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
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Let's break down these common return metrics in the most basic terms👇

1. Cash on Cash Return:

The cash distributions you receive on a quarterly basis.

2. IRR:

Internal rate of return. Annualized, time-weighted return of your investment.

3. Equity Multiple:

How many times you are multiplying your money when it's all said and done.

4. AAR:

Average annual return based on the hold period.

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Keep in mind, when a sponsor shows a potential investment:

- These are always projected returns, NEVER guaranteed.
- Returns are based on the assumptions in the underwriting model (trust but verify)

Which of these return metrics is most important to consider for a real estate deal?

Post: I bought a deal with negative leverage. Here's why...

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
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I bought this townhome community with NEGATIVE leverage going-in. And don't regret it...

What's negative leverage?

When your cap rate < interest rate.

In this case, we bought this property at a 5.5% cap and locked in an interest rate of 6.7%.

Some would argue it would be cheaper to buy the property in cash.

So why the heck would anyone buy a deal with negative going in leverage?

Future Upside Potential

In our case, we were willing to accept a lower yield in the beginning, in exchange for a higher return at stabilization.

Our stabilized cap rate is projected to be close to 10%. With a yield on cost at 8%.

I could care less what the going-in cap rate is, as long as I see a path to substantially add value to the property.

Many value-add investors do exactly the same thing.

What are your thoughts about buying deals with negative leverage going in?

Post: Why real estate investors use debt!

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
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Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Justin Goodin:
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Justin Goodin:

👉 Debt to buy assets is completely different from credit card debt (bad debt).

Leverage (when used correctly) is a powerful way to build wealth.

Here's how:

1. We buy an apartment complex.

2. The bank contributes 70%.

3. We keep 100% of the profits.

Sure, we still have to pay the mortgage and interest, but real estate investors don’t have to split the cash flow or profits with the bank.

This is the power of leverage.

We partner with the bank to buy a cash flowing business, and we get all of the upside. 

Not a bad deal!

I'm taking on more debt in 2024! It sounds weird to say this, but it's true 😎

Are you using debt to build your real estate portfolio and create wealth?

 3. After we collect revenue, we pay back the bank. Even if we don't collect revenue, we still pay back the bank.
4. Because of #3 & other associated costs of managing the property, we don't really see profit but hope to soon.

That's how you meant to put it.


Unfortunately, your comment doesn’t really hold any water. You’re claiming multifamily owners don’t make any profit? I won’t waste much time on your empty comment, but I guess if nobody made profit, companies wouldn’t be buying properties 😅 Let me know if you need any further help. I’m glad you are on BP to further your education. 

No water? This is literally what has transpired in CRE since 2023, and some of the people who bought the years prior with no cap rates are about to experience here in 2024-2026. Go check valuations, they are akin to the great recession percentages in CRE. Companies are turning back CRE, who is out there actively buying? Syndications are failing too with the underlying assets being CRE.

I am glad you are on BP, you can learn from others like me on what not to do. Most importantly, folks on BP can learn from you on what not to do. I digress @Carlos Ptriawan can teach you more on this.

@Evan Polaski careful talking strategic leverage here. Paying cash (at first) is like a sin on Bp. Even though the investment environment is a complete 180 from years past.  But you are 100% right.

 Every comment you post just goes into another direction about something irrelevant to my original post. You seem confused so I’m happy to offer my time on a call to you. Please send me a DM and we can schedule something. If not, I wish you the best! The forums is a great place to continue learning so you’re doing the right thing 👍

Post: Why real estate investors use debt!

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 1,034
  • Votes 756
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Justin Goodin:

👉 Debt to buy assets is completely different from credit card debt (bad debt).

Leverage (when used correctly) is a powerful way to build wealth.

Here's how:

1. We buy an apartment complex.

2. The bank contributes 70%.

3. We keep 100% of the profits.

Sure, we still have to pay the mortgage and interest, but real estate investors don’t have to split the cash flow or profits with the bank.

This is the power of leverage.

We partner with the bank to buy a cash flowing business, and we get all of the upside. 

Not a bad deal!

I'm taking on more debt in 2024! It sounds weird to say this, but it's true 😎

Are you using debt to build your real estate portfolio and create wealth?

 3. After we collect revenue, we pay back the bank. Even if we don't collect revenue, we still pay back the bank.
4. Because of #3 & other associated costs of managing the property, we don't really see profit but hope to soon.

That's how you meant to put it.


Unfortunately, your comment doesn’t really hold any water. You’re claiming multifamily owners don’t make any profit? I won’t waste much time on your empty comment, but I guess if nobody made profit, companies wouldn’t be buying properties 😅 Let me know if you need any further help. I’m glad you are on BP to further your education. 

Post: Underwrite difficult multifamily deals with these 7 easy steps

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 1,034
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Hey BP fans! I see a lot of discussion here about commercial multifamily underwriting and questions around this topic. 

If I had to narrow down commercial multifamily underwriting into 7 steps, here's what I would say...

1. Determine In-Place Income

Using a rent roll, determine the in-place rent amounts the property is collecting.

2. Input Operating Expenses


These are expenses needed to run the property. Marketing, payroll, and real estate taxes just to name a few.

3. Model Your Business Plan


Are you doing renovations and increasing rents? Are you going to start valet trash in month 6? Accurately model your business plan in the spreadsheet.

4. Capital Expenditures


This is your rehab or construction budget to fix up the property.

5. Growth Rates & Assumptions


Determine year-by-year inflation rate. Input accurate numbers for physical vacancy. Determine the exit cap rate.

6. Debt & Equity


Which loan product is best for this asset and business plan? Where is the equity coming from?

7. Determine Valuation


Based on the level of risk the deal presents and the returns you are seeking, determine the correct purchase price.
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Step 7 is key!


❌ As the underwriter, you are not trying to get to the seller's asking price.

✅ You are backing into a potential price that can deliver your desired projected returns sufficient for the level of risk the deal presents.

What would you add to this 7-step process to underwrite a commercial multifamily property?

Post: GP & LP Investor Payout Math

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
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Quote from @Nicholas Kitchen:

I'd love for someone to go through some math here. Everything I read talks about the pref and splits and percentages, but I don't know percentages of WHAT? Of the NOI, of the cash the LPs invested? Both?

Here is what I'm looking at:

46 Unit Apartment Building / Purchase price: $5,000,000

Rents are at $1k/month, 90% occupancy, with a 45% expense ratio. Brings NOI to: $322,920 (CAP: 6.45%)

Assumable Fannie Mae loan at 4.25% IO with a balance of $3,500,000 ($157,500 annual payments). IO runs out in 2028.

If I raised $1,500,000 (30%) at a 6% pref, how would you pay back your investors?

Distributions made monthly.


6% Pref to LPs

>6% to 10% to GP

>10% 70/30 split (LP/GP)

1. In this scenario, $322,920 NOI - $157,500 IO payments - $90k investor 6% pref = $75,420 remaining.

2. Do you take that $75,420 and divvy that up next? 

I'm just kind of lost where the calculations come from next.

Thank you.


 You should read the Best Ever Syndication Book from Joe Fairless. Great resource!

Post: Why real estate investors use debt!

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
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Thanks for the insightful comment! Yes leverage is a very powerful strategy. If you have any questions, let me know. I would be happy to explain it further so you understand. 

Post: IRR: Full Breakdown

Justin GoodinPosted
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Question for the BP Forum: 
If you invested $100K and received $500k back, is that a good deal?

It depends...

We need to consider the length of time it took to receive that $500K.

That's where the IRR, or internal rate of return, comes in.

I bet you would be less excited if it took 30 years to earn that $500k vs. if it took 7 years.

// Simply stated: IRR is the annualized, time-weighted return of your investment.


Real estate investors can use the IRR to compare different investment opportunities. Many people have heard of IRR, but in my experience, very few understand the purpose of it.

So what the heck is a good IRR?


Generally speaking, here are some guidelines:

// Acquisition of stabilized asset – 10% IRR
// Acquisition & repositioning of asset – 14% IRR
// Development in established area – 20% IRR
// Development in rural area – 30% IRR

What questions do you have about IRR?

Post: In Search of a Management Company in Oklahoma City

Justin GoodinPosted
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  • Indianapolis, IN
  • Posts 1,034
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Quote from @Cesar Contreras:

Hello, 

We recently purchased a large property in Downtown Oklahoma City and we'd like to see our options. Can anyone recommend a good management company with good presence in OKC?


 I would recommend you do a simple Google search, look at Costar, or look at the management companies your competition in the nearby area is using. Good luck!