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All Forum Posts by: Justin Koehn

Justin Koehn has started 4 posts and replied 44 times.

Post: HELLO ALL! Finally getting started in the Tacoma, WA area!

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

@Brandon Crouse Welcome to BP! You are definitely in the right place to start your education and REI adventure! There are a lot of opportunities in the Pierce and Thurston counties with a good deal of competition as well. Here are my top recommendations for that education:

1. Listen to all the BP Podcasts - unbelievable wealth of experience and wisdom.

2. Read the books they recommend! Just make a list and start cranking through them.

3. Go to the Olympia and Tacoma REI meetings. There are several in the Tacoma one. In Olymipa, we meet at Ramblin Jack's the third tuesday of each month. (Follow @Naomi Pinger because she organizes them.)

4. Start making connections with agents, lenders, GCs, and other investors!

Good luck to you and welcome to the PNW! This is a great part of the country with a lot of opportunities! Let me know if you'd like to connect further and grab a coffee or something. 

Post: Rehab Loan Contractors in Olympia Lacey Tumwater

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

@Skyler Chaney as @Jake DeAtley said, it may be very difficult to get a contractor to show up to bid work because they are all swamped - most guys I talk to are booked out for months and are turning down work nearly every day. I think it is hard to get them to come out because:

1. They are VERY busy, they just don't have spare time.

2. It sounds like a small job with little margin for them.

3. If you're replacing baseboard heaters, the good GC will not touch them but hire an electrician to come out (also very busy and hard to get out)

4. If it is just to give you a bid, what is in it for them? Are you for sure going to use them in the future, or are you going to do the work yourself and just get the bids to satisfy the lender? (I get it - I've done this multiple times myself, but you need a friend in the business to write up the bid because they are doing you a favor with no return)

If you're able to keep these things in mind when talking to one, you might be able to mitigate some of these obstacles and actually get one out there. I'll PM you a contact, but he is in the same boat as everyone else - way to busy for small jobs unless there is a good reason he should do business with you. 

Good luck!

Post: Washington rehab costs

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

@Collin Savunen Do you have a property in mind that you are looking at? If we had more details, we could really be of more help. I'll PM you about a GC that I have used in Olympia, but I will say here that it is VERY hard to find good, honest, AFFORDABLE contractors in the Olympia area because Seattle jobs pay so much more. With that said, there are some who just won't drive for it. 

Post: New real estate investor in the Olympia Washington area!

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

@Collin Savunen Welcome to BP! You are in the right place to start out. 

A few responses to your question - I think $35,000 is on the low end for a goal to replace your income, not that it is a bad goal (that is AWESOME!), but if you have 5 years to accomplish this goal, I would set it higher. It will make you think bigger and plan for more growth, which is what you want to do from the start. It may seem crazy now to set a goal of $60k or even $80k a year, but I can tell you that as your family grows, you will be thankful to have that extra to do exactly what you mentioned - created freedom. I'm not sure if your wife works or not, but if you made something closer to $70k a year, she would have a CHOICE to work or not, which is not realistic on only $35k. 

Second, you are good with people and the analytics? Sounds familiar to my story! I would not try to figure out all the legal technicalities if this is not your strong suit. You definitely want a basic, working knowledge, but use those people skills to find out which attorney's are being used in this area who specialize in real estate. I have heard A LOT of awesome things about McFarren Law in Tacoma. They even offer free classes in real estate related law that I think are open to the public. You will see and hear it repeated dozens of times on BP, build a network - leverage people to accomplish your investing goals. 

Third, if you are new to real estate I would highly recommend three keys things:

1. Listen to the BP podcasts.... ALL OF THEM. I know there are a lot, but it is worth it. You will learn so much, it's free, inspiring, uplifting, and you won't miss the news or radio you just replaced.

2. Make a list of highly recommended books from the Podcast (and these forums) and start reading them!

3. Come see us at the Olympia REI meeting. Our next meeting is on September 18th at Ramblin Jack's in Olympia at 6:00 pm. I should be there.

Please fee free to reach out - I'd be glad to get coffee sometime, and help out in any way I can with your education or buying properties. 

Post: Better late than never... Right? Olympia, Wa

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

Welcome here Nathan! We'll see you at the Oly REI at Ramblin Jack's.

What type of investing are you looking to start doing?

Post: Analyzing Multifamily in Tacoma, WA

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

@Megan Heffernan Here is a link to the spread sheet system I was using before I jumped to the BP calculators. It's probably overly complex, which may cause analysis paralysis, but use it if it is at all helpful. 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/149E3JScN5Q2LFh6BPp1qrwguf-UN93wPp5UTeG074qI/edit?usp=sharing

Post: Analyzing Multifamily in Tacoma, WA

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

@Megan Heffernan It's good to be practicing your analysis on some deals. I'll try to answer a few of your questions, but I am speaking from book knowledge (and evaluating a LOT of deals), not experience from operating them. Anyways, to your questions:

Raise rent? - be very careful to assume you will be able to raise rents. Many of the websites that give rental estimates are just averaging what is listed but don't look at amenities or property types. I have gotten rental estimates from Rentometer that were WAY off for a duplex, because it was averaging the rental rates for some very nice single family homes in the area (SFRs can rent for much more than a duplex in some areas) I would call your local property management company and ask them about the specific property you are evaluating. Usually they are extremely helpful and have a very good idea of what market rent would be for that place within $25 or so. 

Lower down payment - this will almost never make a deal better. It will cashflow less and get you worse financing terms (typically). Remember, the bank is a partner in this investment and they are getting interest paid to them on whatever part they contribute (loan) to the deal. The more they put in, the more of the pie they get. The more you put in, the more you keep. 

Lowering offer price? You nailed it. This is how you make most deals work. HOWEVER, at this point in time and in this market, most sellers won't accept ANY low-ball offers unless they are simply nuts, uneducated, or in a really distressed situation. They have a real estate agent (whose job it is to know what the property is worth) telling them to list it for a certain amount because they honestly think that is what the property is worth. There is the very rare case when a seller doesn't listen to the agent and lists it for WAY over what it is worth, but this doesn't happen often. Low-ball offers can be effective in limited circumstances - Off market ( which are typically uneducated/distressed), bank owned, and really weird properties. But, a 1979 4-plex in Tacoma probably doesn't meet any of these standards. 

Other variables? This is where you need to look. Unfortunately, your cash-on-cash and cashflow are closely linked, so it's hard to raise or lower one independently of the other. However, there are sometimes ways to find things that can be done to increase rents like restructuring a 2/1 into a 3/1 if there is room. 3/1s rent out for considerably more than 2 bedrooms. But, it is usually not easy to convert a 2 into a 3. There is also the chance of offering covered parking at additional cost to tenants, storage, charging utilities back to them if they are not currently, etc. 

Bottom line: You are looking for a diamond in the rough here in WA, AND you have have about 1000 other investors in the NW doing the exact same thing right now. Everyone (ok, not everyone, but a LOT of people) is looking for small multi-unit properties south of Seattle. You are going to have a very hard time finding a property in decent shape on the MLS that will cashflow between Centralia and Canada on I5. It can be done, but it's not easy!

Keep looking, keep running numbers, (and if you really plan to do much of this, you might want to use the BP calculators by becoming a pro member) I made my own spreadsheets for a long time, but the BP ones are so simple and fast. 

If you do spot one that you would like to go look at, or are interested in making an offer on, let me know and I'd be happy to help you out. I have no problem putting in lots of low-ball offers, but I will be honest with you about the chances of them getting accepted. But remember, if there is a 95% chance a low-ball offer won't be accepted, that means that 1 in 20 sellers just might take it! 

Good luck and let me know if there is anything I can help with!

Justin Koehn

Post: Olympia REI Group Meeting

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

Thank you so much @Naomi Pinger

Post: Vendors in Olympia, WA

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

@Andrew Hodgson that is awesome. Thanks for those contacts. It would be great to have a big BP database of vendors WITH REVIEWS, kind of like the Hard Money section. 

...... @Brandon Turner......? ......@Joshua Dorkin......?

Post: Vendors in Olympia, WA

Justin KoehnPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 23

Hi BP!

I am compiling a list of preferred vendors and I wanted to get you recommendations for anyone you use in the Olympa, WA area (includes Tumwater, Lacey, Shelton, Yelm, Rainier, Centralia, Chehalis, Rochester, McCleary, and Elma). 

Here are the folks I'm looking for, but only if you would HIGHLY recommend them. If needed, clarify if they work only with SFH or also with mid or large multi-family as well.

Property Managers
Local Lenders
Inspectors
General Contractors
Plumbers
Electricians
Professional Cleaners
Septic/Sewer Services
Legal Advisers who specialize in RE
Movers

It'd be great to have a compiled list here that we can all draw from and provide to clients. Thanks!

Justin