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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
This is why I love STRs....
@Bruce Woodruff, are STRs exempt from these rules?
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Quote from @Cliff H.:
@Kathi Miller there's a lot of posts on the BiggerPockets forums that are not accurate around the service animal vs emotional support animal distinction, in some cases due to discrepancies in state-state laws and/or misinterpretation of ADA guidelines in this area.
There is no federal statute in the ADA that requires owners of public accommodations accept an untrained emotional support animal, even if they do require acceptance of trained service animals.
It goes without saying that consulting with a local lawyer versed in fair house law is always advisable, but in the interim a few resources:
ADA Network: Service Animals and Emotional Support Animals
Frequently Asked Questions about Service Animals and the ADA
Hi @Cliff H., thank you for all of your great info. She sent me a form that she said was electronically signed by her doctor and she went on to tell me that the dog is in training but she can't find the paperwork.I am calling an attorney today.
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Quote from @Tim Miller:
@Kathi Miller If you want to take as much of the liability off yourself, setup an account with PetScreening.com. Make this service a requirement for all of your rentals and let this service determined if the dog is a legal ESA animal or not. If they deny the tenant, then it's on them and you are not liable. We use it and had one tenant go off on us because they were denied. But you have to make sure that this service is used for all of your rentals and for every tenant. That's the only way you can ensure you are protected from any discrimination allegation.
Great info Tim. Thank you!
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Quote from @Bill B.:
You might have violated fair housing laws by asking for the additional security deposit?
Please be careful.
You signed a 6 month lease starting in august back in May? Try to avoid that in the future. You eliminated everyone that might apply during those 3 months for a longer term at a higher rate with better qualifications, for a short lease that expires in January? You forgot to put you location in your profile but I’m betting January isn’t high season
Assuming you screened them well. The animal either won’t do any damage or they will cover it out of pocket and come February it won’t matter they had an animal in the property.
Hi Bill-
Thank you for not berating me like some others here. The house is a furnished mid-term rental (30+ days) and it was booked through August 2. It's only a 1 bedroom so it's more difficult to get longer term bookings, which is why I accepted these tenants to start Sept 4. I'm in Denver. I did screen the tenants but couldn't have screened them for the dog, check documentation, vaccinations, etc because they never told me they had one until yesterday. I always ask for an additional deposit for pets so just figured that was fair. I had a previous tenant with a dog destroy everything in the home and I had to replace all the furniture, queen sleeper, mattress, bedding, linens, area rugs, flooring, so I am really leery about renting to people with pets now. And I understand this is not considered a pet. I just have not ever dealt with a situation like this. I feel like they completely lied to me and wonder what else they lied about. Maybe I will just rent it as unfurnished...Am I ok to ask for proof of current vaccines?
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Quote from @Kathi Miller:
Quote from @Russell Brazil:
You're rights as a landlord are to provide housing to individuals in exchange for rent. And if you want to be in the housing provider business you can not discriminate against individuals based on their race, color, national origin, sex, familial status or disability. Some disabled individuals require the use of a service or assistance animal. These animals are to be considered no different than say a wheelchair or a cane. It is a tool for them to help deal with their disability.
And guess what, based on your response here...seems like they were smart to keep said disability private, as it seems you likely would have taken it into consideration as to whether to rent to them or not.
Thanks for your response. I do not and would not discriminate against anyone because of any disability, however, I do not appreciate being lied to by a prospective tenant. This leads me to believe that they may be lying about other things. And had I known they had a dog I would have accepted the other tenant because I would not have lost out on a month's rent-not for any other reason. That is my concern, the deceptiveness.
Take care,
Kathi
"And had I known they had a dog I would have accepted the other tenant because I would not have lost out on a month's rent-not for any other reason"
That is discrimination, taking into account the dog at all. It is illegal. That is a $16,000 fine from HUD, plus civil liability if they additionally chose to sue you.
So yes....the tenant here was 100% correct in hiding the fact because you literally just admitted you would have illegally discriminatiled against them given the chance.
Maybe these tenants did you a favor by saving you that $16,000 fair housing fine.
The other tenants had a dog as well. They just had a longer lease term.
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Thanks Taylor-
This is not a service animal, it's an ESA. My problem is not that they have this dog, it's that they lied to me. This leads me to wonder what else they are lying about. I could have rented to the other applicants with a dog and not lost out on a month's rent. This had nothing to do with having an ESA, but rather the deceptiveness. It's certainly not the way I'd like to begin a tenant/landlord relationship. Thanks for the info. I will check into the free classes.
Take care, Kathi
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Quote from @Taylor L.:
Service animals are not pets. Please research this topic thoroughly and consider hiring a property manager who is versed in Fair Housing (and other) Laws. Not understanding these laws is taking a very serious risk with your business.
Many local fair housing nonprofits and municipalities will offer free fair housing courses to property owners, I would highly recommend taking those. If these folks were testers you may well already be in hot water based on statements made.
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Quote from @Russell Brazil:
You're rights as a landlord are to provide housing to individuals in exchange for rent. And if you want to be in the housing provider business you can not discriminate against individuals based on their race, color, national origin, sex, familial status or disability. Some disabled individuals require the use of a service or assistance animal. These animals are to be considered no different than say a wheelchair or a cane. It is a tool for them to help deal with their disability.
And guess what, based on your response here...seems like they were smart to keep said disability private, as it seems you likely would have taken it into consideration as to whether to rent to them or not.
Thanks for your response. I do not and would not discriminate against anyone because of any disability, however, I do not appreciate being lied to by a prospective tenant. This leads me to believe that they may be lying about other things. And had I known they had a dog I would have accepted the other tenant because I would not have lost out on a month's rent-not for any other reason. That is my concern, the deceptiveness.
Take care,
Kathi
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Jill-
Thank you for the great info. I appreciate it.
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Hello, I recently (May) signed a 6 month lease with a couple who straight up told me they have no pets, as I have a no pet policy. They are to move in Sept 4th. They called me yesterday, Aug 1, to tell me they have an ESA dog. A large one, 50 lbs. They went on to tell me that they didn't try to hide this from me, but didn't want to disclose because of my policy... also that I couldn't charge any additional damage deposit or deny them renting the home. I have never dealt with a situation like this. What are my rights as a landlord? All I asked for was that they give me an additional $300 deposit and I let them know that I denied a lease to another couple for a longer term lease who were upfront with me that they had a small 8 lb dog and wouldn't have had a vacancy for the month of August. Any suggestions or advice? I feel completely duped.
Thank you!
Kathi