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All Forum Posts by: Kristina Nguyen

Kristina Nguyen has started 3 posts and replied 12 times.

Hi BP Community, I'm looking to partner with an investor-friendly agent in these three areas: Columbus, Cincinnati, and Atlanta. If you have a recommendation, please send them our way so we can connect.

Thank you!

Hey @Joseph Gozlan - I am looking for residential! 

Hi BP Community, I'm looking to partner with an investor-friendly agent in the Houston area to begin offering some homes on-market. If you have a recommendation, please send them our way so we can connect (recommendation preferred over self-promo). Feel free to send me a message or reply directly here.

Thank you! 

Hey @Ramkumar S. - we just launched a new feature: DoorMatch - which essentially matches you with your ideal investment home. You no longer have to review dozens of emails of homes + we have more inventory, now that we expanded into Atlanta + Dallas + San Antonio (in addition to Houston). Cheers!

Hey Iris, 

Kris from Doorvest here. Please reach out to a client advisor if you're interested in learning more about how our customers have worked with us in the past. We'd love to be part of your investing journey! 

Best,

Kris

With a winter storm blowing through Houston for this next week, what are all of you doing (if any) to winterize your current home/projects? 

https://www.khou.com/article/w...

Originally posted by @Carlos Ptriawan:

Kristina: your company gets the idea and solution 'almost' right. The pain for OOS is actually only finding a local good rehabber (if required). Finding a good potential rental in MLS or wholesale or turkey or Roofstock is not difficult for experienced investors as most of us are experienced risk-taker. However, finding a rehabber does bring lot of difficulties (although there's a partial solution to this issue by exploring more rehab businesses with property management in a select market).

The problem with this solution is the investor is locked to a specific market. For example, If I'm using doorvest, I'll locked-in in TX market, while in another market, I'm locked into a different set of teams which again I need to manually bring up the speed.

I do hope your company to be successful and expand to other markets, and eventually, the ability that investor itself that pickup the property based on our criteria and configuration. When that's possible in the future, there's no limit to your success.

I started seeing many unicorns in real estate development which  may fundamentally change the way people buying/selling real estate in the future.


Hey Carlos, You're right! A very vital part of real estate investing is the project/renovation management part. We all hear about the horror stories surrounding working with terrible General Contractors. At Doorvest, we have a rigorous system in vetting out our trusted rehabbers/general contractors. We're incredibly confident in the quality of work of our projects and the home that our customers purchase from us. We're so confident that we actually recently launched our Home Renovation Guarantee feature which guarantees if there are any issues that come up within the first year, Doorvest will cover it.


Thanks for your good wishes and we hope that we will see you become one of our customers in the future. :)

Cheers,

Kris

@dominic scheck: "Accurate repair costs are probably tough to automate, but if you build an app that does it, you'll be able to retire on any beach without buying a single house"  

I'm waiting til the day someone is able to automate this.


Originally posted by @Dominic Scheck:

Hi, Roman. Thanks for posting. We need more data, more data sharing, and more automation like this. So first, kudos. 
Now, a math check might involve validating (1) your assumed values, (2) that you're focusing on the evaluation metrics that matter to you, and (3) the calculation method for going from assumption inputs to your evaluations outputs.

1. Assumptions

  • What is Home Price? It looks like Market Value is the list price on Zillow. But for example, on 1108 45th Ave, you have $143,018 for a house price when it's listed for $200,000. If you can buy a house for 143 and sell it for 200 without doing any work, then you've got yourself a deal already.
  • Many lenders want a 25% down payment if you aren't living in the house. Maybe you have an exceptional one.
  • $100/month might not be enough for maintenance, especially for older houses. I plan for $200/unit in multifamily, and I'd probably budget more for these single-family homes.
  • Maybe double-check your property tax amount. If possible, pull directly from the county records.
  • Looks like you're planning $0 for utilities and snow/lawn. Cool for single-family.

2. Evaluation metrics

  • Cashflow: awesome. 
  • Looks like C19 is cash-on-cash return. Cool.
  • How are you thinking about Deal? C20 looks like a calculation as if you were going to wholesale it or flip it with no rehab. That brings me to the big question.
  • How do you want to invest? That will determine what evaluation metrics matter to you and what makes "a good deal." If you want to buy-and-hold-and-never-sell while maximizing the % return on your money, then you should prioritize the CoC return. If you're busy outside of real estate, maybe deal capacity is a constrained resource; then the cashflow per deal might matter more than the CoC return (e.g., if you can only buy 1 deal/year, then a $400 cashflow/9% return deal might be better than a $100 cashflow/15% return deal). If you plan on renting a place for 5 years and then selling, I'd add neighborhood-specific appreciation assumptions and assess deals on internal rate of return (IRR). If you're planning to wholesale, then you have a tougher job of estimating the measures that matter to your end buyers (likely likely ARV and repair costs in addition to the ones above). Accurate repair costs are probably tough to automate, but if you build an app that does it, you'll be able to retire on any beach without buying a single house.

3. Calculation Methods

Look good to me.

  • Hi @Mike D'Arrigo - You're correct, the home is resold to our customers and is priced below market value. There are many reasons our customers wouldn't just want to go on the MLS and buy a property.
  • Traditionally, one will go on the MLS, do their own DD, research the home, make offers on homes (with the potential of losing many times), schedule inspections, and assuming they eventually close, have to source and vet their own contractors to complete renovations. Then if they're turning this property into a rental, they'll have to do the leasing and long-term property management (or find a trusted property management firm).Although there’s nothing wrong with the traditional route – as you can see (and probably know) it is not for everyone as it requires a lot of work, time, and research. Doorvest wants to change the way people invest in real estate by creating an easy, totally online, and frictionless approach. Our goal is that by creating this experience, more individuals who have been locked out of real estate investing due to its traditionally complex model are now able to through us. 
    Doorvest adds value by doing most of the work. After learning about our customers' investment goals, we’ll seek out a property that aligns with their criteria, then buy, renovate, place a resident, and take over long term property management. We sell the property to the customer; along the way we serve as a friend and advisor, walking our customers through their financing, providing status updates on the renovations (and more!), and what they get after everything is an income-generating home on day 1. 
    Have a great day!
    Kris
          Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
          Originally posted by @Kristina Nguyen:

          Hi @Carlos Ptriawan

          Doorvest's mission is to democratize financial security for everyone. We do this by buying and rehabbing homes with our own money. Then, we place a resident, resell the home to our customer so that the property is generating income on day 1. Lastly, we begin the long-term management of the property. We are not in the flipping business as our goal is not to do a 20 - 25% spread on the sale. We add an 8% transaction fee to the home price, but we are still able to resell the home to our customers at 8 - 10% below market value. We're able to do this through technology, business model innovation, and scale efficiencies.

          Best,

          Kris

          Interesting conversation.. so your borrowing money I take it to buy and rehab  then sell at cost plus 8%..  then manage for a flat fee of 15% of gross revenue with NO other fee's..  Now you could be adding in your cost of capital to your all in costs as well that would make a little more sense.  If not see my math below.

          It just kind of reminds me of the flipping TV shows where they run the profit numbers at the end of the show and leave out all sorts of costs.

          Unless your all cash 8% of acquisition and rehab costs would be almost entirely eroded away by cost of capital to buy and rehab the inventory.

          I personally don't know any turn key company that buys and rehabs 100% with their own internal cash . And the very best rates are bank rates for this type of buy rehab and those rates would be about 6% apr.. that's what I get on my construction loans . Full doc low LTV bank rates.. for Turnkey inventory its generally one of the HML out there that set up larger lines of credit like Lending Home Lima One Anchor or, Aloha who then puts their loans on Peer st.. etc etc.. so that cost of capital is about 10% apr to 14% all in.. So even if you buy rehab and resell in 6 months your going to have a 5% to 7% of gross sales price as debt load or cost of capital.. so if your charging 8% you maybe net 2 to 4% NET maybe .. this seems pretty thin to me to actually run the company and take all the risk your taking.

          So I have to think there has to be some profit for you guys baked in some where other than what you described.. unless my math is off somewhere.  Buyers want the best deal but they also want their provider to be successful and profitable.  Making 3% net net net on a transaction seems to me that would be pretty slim..

          Now again if your including your cost of capital on the all in line  then I get that.. from what I see in the industry  profits depending on the deal run 5% net net net

          with average about 10% of gross sales and on lower end inventory ( price wise ) that could jump to 20% plus.. 

          Hey Jay! Thanks for taking the time to respond/comment. You know this stuff very well!  Our 15% property management is just that 15% - NO additional fees. We can sustain our business this way because we hope that after we help you buy your first rental - you'll come back and buy your 2nd (or 10th!) property with us. In the future, we'd like to vertically integrate the "real estate investing stack," such as taking mortgage lending, homeowner insurance in-house, which will help increase our margins per homes sold. We're always looking to improve the way we work, so we love the feedback.

          Cheers,

          Kris