All Forum Posts by: Doug Leedy

J Scott: Yes. 50% commission. Direct sales. Completely voluntary. It's up to you to decide if you want to do that or just be an investor. I went in with no intention of marketing. I wanted to learn to invest as safely and intelligently as possible but when I dug through the classes and saw what was there I decided that there were a lot of people who could use this. That's how I became interested in marketing the product. I really don't sell, I inform people of what is out there for them, what Renatus offers and how it works. That's it, the ball is in their court.

Bill G: I don't get your point. Are you telling me that getting a real estate license prepares you to become an investor? Hell, ask any broker...it doesn't even prepare them to become realtors. Experience does. The license just gets them in the door. I'm not knocking becoming a realtor. I was one for about a dozen years, enjoyed it and respect most realtors but it's no prep for investing. At least not safely.

We can go back and forth on this all day. All I know is this: I've been licensed in real estate for 40 years. Licensing teaches you virtually NOTHING about investing. It teaches you to list and sell and how the law affects you, how to do things legally and ethically and what to look out for. In some instances it does teach the basics of more "typical" real estate investments but that's about it. 

In Renatus, I have been exposed to investors from all over the country and in some other parts of the world. I'm actively investing in Ohio, Florida and Illinois and I'm looking at an investment in Belize, all with other Renatus members. I am also in the process of going through training (free of charge) with a company called US Residential to learn how to use their software to do deals with most of the big Hedge Funds (including Blackstone), with other Renatus members across the country and for myself. I have done a private loan as a lender and I will be learning about buying down notes and mortgages and how to manage Management companies for larger commercial investments should I decide to go that route. I will also look into tax liens and tax deeds. 

There is NO additional cost for any of this and mentoring is included in the Renatus business model, both one-on-one and many-on-one. MOST people would have no idea where to begin concerning most of these strategies and there is significant risk involved if you don't know what you're doing. I'm not willing to roll the dice to that extent, and I don't think most other people are either. 

As I said, Renatus may not be for everyone, but many people that I know and have met personally have absolutely turned their lives around with this program. It wasn't easy and it wasn't necessarily quick, but it was effective. I believe what I personally see, not what someone tells me and certainly not what someone who knows nothing about a company tell me about it. Due diligence is a must. Before I purchased my education I hired a PI to look into the background of my potential mentor. You think I wasn't cynical? But he came up clean and has been a great help to me. Don't believe what I tell you, look into it yourself and make your own decision.

That's a lot of words to say nothing. You like BP, I like BP and Renatus. Let people decide which they prefer. 

Joel, you pretty much hit the nail on the head and really sum it up in your last sentence. In a perfect world free apprenticeship would be prevalent and exist throughout the land. Unfortunately, there is no utopia. Human nature sneaks in. Successful investors don't have the time, the patience OR THE INCENTIVES to mentor people. It just doesn't happen despite the best of intentions. 

Our economy is based on incentives. $10,000 is a helluva incentive. That's the reason Renatus has a marketing component. The marketing is totally optional but remember, every college and university recruits students. Harvard does, Ohio State does and the tiny College of Wooster does. While Renatus is not an accredited school, it needs students too. Otherwise, what's the point? And they have chosen to find their students through word of mouth instead of mass advertising, traveling from city to city, in and out, high pressure meetings all around the country like the guru's do. 

But the bottom line is effectiveness. Real estate investing is complicated and technical and a mistake can be fatal. You better know what you're doing. Most people instinctively know this and it is the main reason so many people talk about investing but never do it. Fear. It's a great dis-incentive. I know of no other program anywhere that gives the kind of personal support system that Renatus does. It's a great concept that works. It's not for everyone, but it is for everyone who is serious about real estate and wealth-building and independence. It's not an easy road but it's a rewarding road for those who get it. 

All I'm saying is that it's worth the time to thoroughly check out Renatus. Put aside your prejudices and your pre-conceptions and take an objective look to see if it's for you. See what Renatus offers and how they do it. If you want a short introductory webinar just let me know and I'll get it to you. There's no pressure here. I'm looking for partners not numbers. Real estate can be rewarding and life-changing but it's not easy. There's nothing quick or easy about it and you better know what you're doing. That's what we do. Knowledge and support. That's a pretty good equation.

Will, I'm really confused about your stance regarding Renatus. The first link you provided really proves my point, not yours. If you read the comments in response to the original post, they generally confirm my position and explain, to a large extent, the NR situation. The second link obviously does not refer to Renatus as we do NOT have weekend events like this. What is really your problem with Renatus?

I'll be glad to explain. There are a number of real estate trainings and courses out there. Some are worthwhile, some are worthless and many are scams. I have done several of those and I understand how they operate and why they don't work for most people. I have a 40 year career in real estate as a Realtor and an appraiser. Early on I invested and discovered that I hated being a landlord so I got out of those and said I would never be a landlord again. That was the biggest mistake in my career and I want to try to prevent others from making that same mistake.

When I discovered Renatus a little over a year ago I was retired and new to Florida. I wanted to begin to invest down here but soon realized that it would take me 10 years to gain the necessary market knowledge to do so. The local Renatus community gave me the support and the knowledge that I needed. I now work directly with people from here who are, in some cases, seasoned, successful investors who work closely with me and, in some cases, partner with me to do deals together. That's what Renatus has that no other program that I am aware of has, and I believe that is the unique strength of Renatus.

There are a number of ways to learn real estate. I happen to believe that the Renatus model offers something that no other, including Bigger Pockets, offers. That's why I'm here. To offer another alternative that some people might find more useful than what they've seen elsewhere.

Believe me, I did my due diligence before getting involved. I even hired a Private Investigator to check out the head guy here in south Florida. I'm aware of Nouveau Riche and what happened there, and I'm aware of how Renatus was spun off of that in an effort to do this the right way. I'm very comfortable with that. Renatus won't be for everyone, but it offers things that I believe a lot of people need, but they won't know that possibility exists if they don't know Renatus exists. I hope this answers your concerns.

I belong to Renatus here in south Florida. It's 100% legit. I've been in real estate for 40 years and it's the best concept in real estate investing I've seen in my career. I only wish it had been available when I was younger. I've been to several of the Guru's and spent tens of thousands of dollars, so I know and understand their models, and Renatus blows them out of the water for several reasons.

It is a fact that about 75% of the wealthy 1% have earned their wealth through a combination of business ownership and Real estate investing. Renatus offers both. The education system is first-rate. They use the Instructional Systems Design method of teaching, which is what all of the major Colleges and Universities use for their online education. The instructors are all practitioner-instructors who are active, successful investors in the areas in which they teach. Renatus also teaches ALL the ways of investing, not just wholesaling and/or flipping. And, most importantly, they form local communities of investors who learn together, meet together and do deals together, forming a support system that is unique in the industry as far as I can tell. Also, the cost is much less than you were told. You can get in at the Essentials level for $1,997 and the MOST you can spend is $14,997. For that amount you get what I would say is the equivalent of a Master's Degree in real estate. I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have. Good luck.