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Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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Hey Mark, thanks so much! I have 2 very good friends that have been in the game for years and were a big influence on me to realize this longtime dream. For me, it’s more like a nightmare 😂. I’m so happy that it has worked for you for a long time. I truly appreciate your time and well wishes.
Lisa
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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Quote from @Mark Cruse:
This is part of being a landlord. You felt you would never have a vacancy? You should not go into it unless you know you can float that note for a certain amount of time. It's all part of the long-range strategy. This can happen anytime. My goodness, what would you do if they both were vacant? Have you determined why the tenant bounced on you at midnight? (i.e. lost job, place sucks, weren't comfortable with you being the landlord?) If you or the building is the problem, you may lose the other tenant soon. Do you understand why no one qualifies for the rent? (shytty neighborhood, crime, rent too high?). If you have a low-end community, in many cases you will get desperate or bottom feeding tenants who live a transient life. People who tend to have strong credit and credentials can go elsewhere. Its just so many questions to answer but if you remain in this biz, you have to understand all these dynamics. No matter what the case, you have to be able to survive vacancies. If you can't, you can't be in this business.
Best of luck, but there are so many things you are going to have to figure out. If you don't, no matter what investment you get, eventually you will be considering selling or a default.
The upstairs tenant is paying more than I’m asking for the downstairs that I’m trying to rent. He didn’t pay July (left July 3rd), so 3 months I’ve been floating the balance. I took all of July and painted everything, cleaned, installed new ceiling fans (all work I can and did do myself). It’s a very nice neighborhood so that is not the problem.
I’m done with this biz. Glad it works for so many. It was something I always wanted to try. Tried it and I’m done.
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Quote from @Theresa Harris:
Talk to your friends who have rentals and have them walk the vacant unit with you and look over your listing. Is the problem you aren't getting showings or that the showings are translating to people applying? I get the criteria of 3x rent as income, but that also depends on the rent. A $500 rental-not a problem, but a $2000 rental-maybe not. It comes down to how much people need for their housing and other expenses and that isn't a percentage-that is a dollar amount. Eg monthly phone bill is the same if you live in a $500 or $2000 a month place.
I have not even been showing it to people that cannot meet the criteria. Why waste my time and theirs? My rental is priced at $1,100 per month which I feel from research is very comparable for the area. My upstairs tenant pays $1,175. I've lowered the income requirement to $2,500 per month and not specified a credit score number (as suggested from another commenter here).
I have a meeting with a local property manager on Tuesday. Meanwhile, it is for sale. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/M445544043...
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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Quote from @Lisa Holden:
In Ohio
I have a duplex - my only rental property. Both tenants were there when I purchased it in March, 2024. Both renewed their lease with me. The lower level tenant was due for lease end Feb 2026. He did a midnight move on July 3rd. I have painted, fixed up, new ceiling fans, window dressings, etc. and it is move in ready. Can’t find a tenant that qualifies: 3 times the rent in monthly income, pass credit check and criminal background check.
The upper unit is not generating enough to pay the mortgage, insurance, taxes and it is COSTING me $550 a month to own this property. Not good. I’ve listed it for sale with a realtor and considering not paying the mortgage anymore.
Thoughts? Anyone ever been in this predicament?
Thank you,
Lisa
What do you know about the area surrounding it? Are you investing Out of state with or without knowledge of the area?
I live 1/2 mile from the property. I am confident it is priced within market area pricing. I have a friend that lives within walking distance and pays the same for a 2 bedroom- mine is 3 bedroom 1700 square feet.
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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Erik,
I have a 780 credit score and don’t want to mess it up. I’m going to struggle to keep paying it and hope something gives ASAP.
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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My realtor is going to connect me with a property manager.
I fortunately do NOT have a prepayment penalty on the DSCR.
I will keep you all posted in this thread. I appreciate all of the input and experience expressed.
Lisa
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Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @Lisa Holden:
Quote from @Jonathan Taylor Smith:
@Lisa Holden - I would certainly NOT stop paying the mortgage outright... But do contact your lender and find out what hardship options they may offer and learn if you must be behind on the payments to qualify. How confident is your Realtor in being able to sell the property at or near the listed price - and will that sale result in a NET gain for you or just lock in a loss?
If you were to NOT sell and get the other unit rented, would that potentially be a better outcome for you both now and in years to come? If so, you might just need to lower your rental criteria. I recently lowered my income required from 3x to 2x. I also do not have a minimum credit score requirement - instead using the score to in-part determine the security deposit requirement at 1x, 1.5x or 2x rent. I care more about liens, judgements and collections than I do about a low credit scores for other reasons - which is often related to medical bills or student loans.
Thank you for your input. It should sell for at least what I paid for it allowing me to recoup my down payment funds. 17 mortgage payments I’ve made would be a loss. Perhaps I do need to lower my tenant criteria. I just don’t want to wait on my money and a bunch of excuses for rent not paid.
I see why the standard is 3 times the rent in income. Say it’s 2 times in income:
Income: 2,000
Rent: $1,000
Gas Heat, Electricity, $300
Food, $400
Car Payment and insurance $500
Then I see how I’m the last to get paid.
This isn’t factoring in cell phone bills, eating out, entertainment.
I regret I ever did this. Praying it will all work out in my favor. I have a good realtor. The unit is still listed for rent also. It is listed @$1,100 which is right in line and possibly a bit lower price for the area, the size, and amenities.
thanks again,
Lisa
I would consider hiring a professional property manager to help find a tenant. Either the asking rent is too high or the property is not being properly marketed. I would not lower the requirements if this was me - a bad tenant is not better than no tenant.
If you sell, you will pay 5-6% or more in transaction costs, and you likely have a prepayment penalty (PPP) on the DSCR loan, which could easily add another 1-3% to the exit costs. This is all assuming it would sell for what you paid for it without requiring any repairs or updates to be listed. It will easily cost you 5-10% of the current value to sell it, which it seems like this property is probably worth around $200k, so you could lose another $10k+ in selling it.
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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Quote from @Jonathan Taylor Smith:
@Lisa Holden - I would certainly NOT stop paying the mortgage outright... But do contact your lender and find out what hardship options they may offer and learn if you must be behind on the payments to qualify. How confident is your Realtor in being able to sell the property at or near the listed price - and will that sale result in a NET gain for you or just lock in a loss?
If you were to NOT sell and get the other unit rented, would that potentially be a better outcome for you both now and in years to come? If so, you might just need to lower your rental criteria. I recently lowered my income required from 3x to 2x. I also do not have a minimum credit score requirement - instead using the score to in-part determine the security deposit requirement at 1x, 1.5x or 2x rent. I care more about liens, judgements and collections than I do about a low credit scores for other reasons - which is often related to medical bills or student loans.
Thank you for your input. It should sell for at least what I paid for it allowing me to recoup my down payment funds. 17 mortgage payments I’ve made would be a loss. Perhaps I do need to lower my tenant criteria. I just don’t want to wait on my money and a bunch of excuses for rent not paid.
I see why the standard is 3 times the rent in income. Say it’s 2 times in income:
Income: 2,000
Rent: $1,000
Gas Heat, Electricity, $300
Food, $400
Car Payment and insurance $500
Then I see how I’m the last to get paid.
This isn’t factoring in cell phone bills, eating out, entertainment.
I regret I ever did this. Praying it will all work out in my favor. I have a good realtor. The unit is still listed for rent also. It is listed @$1,100 which is right in line and possibly a bit lower price for the area, the size, and amenities.
thanks again,
Lisa
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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Quote from @Jonathan Taylor Smith:
@Lisa Holden - I would certainly NOT stop paying the mortgage outright... But do contact your lender and find out what hardship options they may offer and learn if you must be behind on the payments to qualify. How confident is your Realtor in being able to sell the property at or near the listed price - and will that sale result in a NET gain for you or just lock in a loss?
If you were to NOT sell and get the other unit rented, would that potentially be a better outcome for you both now and in years to come? If so, you might just need to lower your rental criteria. I recently lowered my income required from 3x to 2x. I also do not have a minimum credit score requirement - instead using the score to in-part determine the security deposit requirement at 1x, 1.5x or 2x rent. I care more about liens, judgements and collections than I do about a low credit scores for other reasons - which is often related to medical bills or student loans.
thanks so much, again for your advice.
Lisa
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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In Ohio
I have a duplex - my only rental property. Both tenants were there when I purchased it in March, 2024. Both renewed their lease with me. The lower level tenant was due for lease end Feb 2026. He did a midnight move on July 3rd. I have painted, fixed up, new ceiling fans, window dressings, etc. and it is move in ready. Can’t find a tenant that qualifies: 3 times the rent in monthly income, pass credit check and criminal background check.
The upper unit is not generating enough to pay the mortgage, insurance, taxes and it is COSTING me $550 a month to own this property. Not good. I’ve listed it for sale with a realtor and considering not paying the mortgage anymore.
Thoughts? Anyone ever been in this predicament?
Thank you,
Lisa