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All Forum Posts by: Mark Tabah

Mark Tabah has started 6 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: Tenant Displacement for Rehab

Mark TabahPosted
  • El Segundo, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Kyle J.:

Why would you want to renovate a unit of a tenant that's still in the middle of a lease?  You can't raise their rent during the term of the lease, so seems pointless to incur the cost/hassle of renovating their unit during this period.  I personally wouldn't renovate an occupied unit at all (whether they're on a lease or month-to-month).  

If they're on a lease, you have to wait until the lease expires to do any rent adjustments.  However, what I've done in the past with MTM tenants that are well under market rent, is just raise the rent (substantially but not to full market rent) without doing any renovations.  If they agree to it and stay, great.  I got the increased rent and didn't have to do any work.  However, if they decide they don't want to pay the new rent, no problem they can give notice and move.  At that time, once it's vacant, I'll do the renovations and increase the rent even more (to full market rent) and re-rent it to new tenants.  It's a win-win for you either way.

I would never do a big renovation mid-tenancy to the point where I had to displace tenants.  Now if it was a necessary repair to keep the unit habitable, that's different.  But it sounds like you're talking improvements vs repairs. 

Just my two cents.

Kyle, that's an awesome approach to the MTM side!  That's exactly why I posted here for ideas I hadn't considered. The MTM side rent is ~$150-200/mo. under market value, but they are good tenants and may be willing to absorb the increased rent. The side still under a lease is approx. $300-350/mo. below market value, so I'm motivated to get out of a bad deal.  Thank you for the input and have a terrific rest of your holiday season!

Post: Tenant Displacement for Rehab

Mark TabahPosted
  • El Segundo, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Jeremy Johnson:

I had a very similar circumstance. However, both of my tenants were on month to month leases. I offered cash for keys with a vacate by March 1. They were both receptive to trying to accommodate them and give them 90 days to move. I find cash for keys helps mitigate damages and encourages them to continue making payments.  For the ones under contract already I think cash for keys may be your only option without reviewing the lease. You could let the PM handle the issues, but many charge for evictions and they have no incentive to try and minimize damage. Good luck. Happy holidays. 

Yes, hoping that cash for keys will be an incentive to vacate, and I'll be offering an extra bonus, something like $100-200, if they leave without additional damage between inspection and move-out.  I don't want to evict unless absolutely necessary, it makes it so difficult for the tenants to find a new home and I think it engenders bad karma from the RE gods.  Thank you for your input and good luck with your project, happy holidays!!

Post: Tenant Displacement for Rehab

Mark TabahPosted
  • El Segundo, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Theresa Harris:

For the one that is under lease, give them notice (30-60 days whatever your local laws require) before the lease is up (so Feb or March) and let them know that you will be doing rehab on the property, so won't be renewing their lease.  If you know they are good, let them know that they can have first dibs on it when it is done for fair market rent.  Once that one is done, do the same with the other unit that is month to month.  They may want to move into the new side for the higher rent. 

I appreciate the input Theresa.  Great point about offering first dibs to the displaced tenants once rehab is finished, I'll definitely be using that tool for this project and going forward.

Post: Tenant Displacement for Rehab

Mark TabahPosted
  • El Segundo, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

Happy Sunday and holiday season all! I've got a duplex under contract with tenants who are paying WAY below market rent. The plan is to rehab one side at time to mitigate costs. One side is on a month-to-month and the other side is on a 1-year lease that expires in April. Is it a better option to stick with the current management to help displace the tenants or let my new management company take the reins? (I switched management at the beginning of the month for my other property and haven't established a strong working relationship with them yet.) Also, if anyone has any tips or anecdotes on displacing a tenant still under contract, I'd love to hear it. Thank you in advance for the help!

Post: Tenant Displacement for Rehab

Mark TabahPosted
  • El Segundo, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 8

Happy Sunday and holiday season all! I've got a duplex under contract with tenants who are paying WAY below market rent. The plan is to rehab one side at time to mitigate costs. One side is on a month-to-month and the other side is on a 1-year lease that expires in April. Is it a better option to stick with the current management to help displace the tenants or let my new management company take the reins? (I switched management at the beginning of the month for my other property and haven't established a strong working relationship with them yet.) Also, if anyone has any tips or anecdotes on displacing a tenant still under contract, I'd love to hear it. Thank you in advance for the help!

What are the advantages of initiating a new tenant agreement with initial month-to-month terms versus the more common initial 1-year agreement?  This is in Los Angeles, I'm curious as to why a landlord would prefer to start off a lease that way?  

Thank you in advance for your input and happy holidays!!!  

Originally posted by @Ryan Deasy:

@Mark Tabah Mark, wow, i am sorry you are dealing with this. i am an out of state owner. i own properties in Connecticut and i live in Houston. i manage everything on my own to avoid what you are dealing with. if you ever feel like taking on management yourself, just let me know. i would be happy to help. 

Thanks for reaching out Ryan!  I've thought about self-managing, but unfortunately my job just doesn't give me enough time at this stage of my career.  Do you find that OOS self-managing takes up a lot of your non-working+non-sleeping time?

Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

@Mark Tabah yes you need to fire them ASAP. Also be aware there have been major scams in the Indianapolis area with Morris Invest and Oceanpointe Property Management. I hope you are not wrapped up in any of this or dealing with a PM that may include ex-Oceanpointe employees. Who are you working with there?

The challenge in Indy is there are lots of tough areas, lots of wholesalers churning crap properties and neighborhoods that are just hard to rent in. Lots of out of state investors are have been taken for a ride in Indy. From what I have seen, I would stay away from Indy unless you are a local investor. 

I'm not with either of those firms, so it sounds like I dodged some bad apples.  I'm currently with Moudy & Co., I don't believe that they're tangled up in that mess.  But it's a very good cautionary tale.  I understand that real estate investment isn't easy, especially OOS, and that there are going to be stumbles and obstacles.  Thank you for your advice!

@Caleb Heimsoth Great idea to get key copies made!  I'm hoping this is just a bad apple and not an experience I will need to repeat.  Thank you sir!

Good day BP community!

I purchased my first investment property, a duplex in Indianapolis, on the 1st of October.  I bought it post-renovation, so the place was move-in ready at close.  I had a property manager lined up at closing and they setup some website pages for me (Trello & Buildium).  But then a couple weeks went by and the property manager called me to ask if the place was ready.  I told him yes and swallowed my frustration that we had wasted a couple of weeks just letting the place sit empty.  At the end of October I got an email from the title company stating that they still had the keys!  Since then the property manager has put a lockbox on the house (I believe) and that's it.  No listings, no pictures.  Worse, they've stopped responding to my emails; I haven't heard from them since the 13th.  

I don't have a signed contract or anything other firm agreement in place, but I want to make sure that I am protecting myself when replacing property management companies.  Any advice or property management recommendations are greatly welcomed.  Thank you for taking the time, have a wonderful holiday season!!!