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All Forum Posts by: Matt Groth

Matt Groth has started 1 posts and replied 242 times.

Post: Contractor in Minneapolis for a small rehab

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417

If you are doing it to get a bigger heloc, probably not a wise move. You almost certainly won't increase the value of the house but the amount you pay for the addition, and can only borrow 80 percent of the total.  If your plan is to pay cash for the rehab, use your cash on another downpayment where you get 100 percent of its value. The other side with a heloc on your primary,  us if things go bad, you lose your primary, as well as the rental. Use caution!

Post: Roofing Quote Expert Advice

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417
Originally posted by @Jay M.:

@Matt Groth   I'm with you.  I have to frequently temper my outlook because a carpenter / builder thinks one way while an investor has to tone down the "quality" a bit....  Otherwise they'll have the best rentals bringing them in little or no money.

Just remind them that cost and price are not the same! I can't tell you the number of jobs where the high bidder (me) arrives at the job after the low bidder did something resembling work. Just replaced a roof this fall that was 5 years old. Turns out if you nail every shingle 2 inches high, they eventually fall off. Great materials, no workmanship. At least the 1st roof was cheaper, right?

Post: Roofing Quote Expert Advice

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417
Originally posted by @Jay M.:
Originally posted by @Mike Reynolds:

@Jay M. An overlay is not a hack job. It is allowed by code and manufacture warranty.   I have seen (and done) overlays that have lasted 25-30 years no problem. I have roofed one house twice in thirty years that was an overlay the first time and a tear off the next. Satisfied customer both times. 

But you are entitled to your opinion. 

If you're replacing a roof one would think that it failed correct?  That means it's been leaking for awhile correct?  If it's been leaking for awhile chance are there is roof decking that is rotted and compromised.  Roofing over compromised decking is a hack job.  Yes it's my opinion but it's pretty hard to argue that what I just said isn't true. 

Here's a test.  Ask a professional roofing company what is the average number of plywood sheets (or planks) replaced during a typical re-roof.  When you get that answer that's my argument.  And yes, as well as having been in the trades 37+ years I was a commercial roofing estimator for a couple years for a commercial / residential roofing company so I know the sheet count is usually over 1/2 dozen.

Are you wrong when you say a quality roof can't be installed over another one?  No you're not.  But...the chances are too small for a real craftsman to roll the dice.  Now an investor that doesn't have a conscience and will sell in a couple years?  Maybe it's good for them.

I'm with Jay. I don't do overlay. 1 in my career, on a garage, because the owner insisted. There is nothing I hate in construction more than roofing, so the faster I get on to something else, the better, but I still tear off. I've seen too many issues. Always replace all boots. They dont last shingle life x2. I can't even buy 3 tabs any more in my area. Haven't put one on in 20 years. My advice, tear off, replace all boots, even for the electrical mast, and use architectural shingles. 

Post: Is zero down a good idea in this market?

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417

I would be concerned about the value you place on them. If the lenders that are your refi option don't like the deal, that is a problem. If your 80 percent of market value is their 100 percent of market value, refi is no longer an option. 

Post: Contractors: How to get them to make you their priority!

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417

Relationship, as said above. Then, value my time, pay promptly,  make decisions quickly, realize your emergency and my emergency are not the same. I am booked to middle or end of next summer. I will make space for you if you have worked with me in the past. Most are not seeing the major labor shortage that is coming. I work 60 to 70 hour weeks on average, and am not keeping up with demand.  I charge a premium, because my work is quality. Employees are very difficult, if not impossible to come by. Your best bet is to offer a quality, savvy, contractor something original. Equity? Bookkeeping? Advertising? Hard money for one of their projects? Be creative,  and ask about our needs, rather than focusing entirely on your own. The market for labor is only going to get worse. The youngest plumber in my town is 52. Work hard at a relationship,  rather than focusing on the price. 

Post: How do you find contractors in small towns?

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417

Good luck. I'm a contractor in a small town. No one I know is hurting for work. Actually the opposite. If you find someone that needs work, can get there soon, at a good price, it will likely be the most expensive contractor you could hire. There WILL be problems. People do not see the incredible worker shortage in the trades that is starting to happen, and it is only going to get worse. Housing workers from out of the area is probably your best bet, but that won't be cheap, either. 

Post: First "Deal" Looking LIke a Flop! What am I missing?

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417

I assume it is for a rental. What will it rent for?

Post: First "Deal" Looking LIke a Flop! What am I missing?

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417

The numbers I see don't appear out of line. Full guts are expensive! You will almost certainly spend all of that, and more. At that point, getting in at fair value, you may as well buy one that is already renovated. Keep looking.  I have worked on a lot of houses, and very seldom do they look better after they are demo'd.  I love the idea of low price houses, I just can't make the math work in my head. A bundle of shingles, and the labor to put them down, is the same on a 250k house, and a 50k house. The difference is one is a whole lot more likely to appreciate.   

Post: Why Do You Young-ish Entrepreneurs/RE Investors Fail?

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417
Originally posted by @Pat L.:

Interesting read......while at the University, (spending hours studying without any such thing as the internet or a calculator (slide-rules only)), several friends & I were making a lot of money buying/fattening/selling lambs/calves on our family acreage, (one was studying to be a Vet). I told my father that I wanted to quit school & just farm. He looked at me & simply said, 'then don't bother coming home'....

Needless to say my friends & I were subsequently conscripted & life changed a lot. Eventually REI became our next daunting experiment, but at least having graduated we all had a great $$$ JOB.

To this day my education has paid off substantially in my REI applications & the need to apply advanced math, electrical concepts & shear force/bending moments often comes back to haunt me.

Always enjoy your posts, Pat. Your Dad was right! Tough love works, and you believed him! I am not directly using my degree, but it definitely added to my life, and makes me a better contractor. What I see, as I look around,  is a general lack of persistence. People want to start at the end, not fight and claw their way through the middle. They see Brandon Turner in Hawaii,  not Brandon carrying the fully loaded toilet out to fix a clogged pipe.  Good days are easy, the problem is they aren't all good days.

Post: Is it harder to find contractors? Skilled trade shortage?

Matt GrothPosted
  • Contractor
  • Grand Marais, MN
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 417

Shortages for everyone I talk to. I really feel this is going to be a major issue in the next decade. The youngest plumber in my area, is in their 50s.  20 years ago, I was one of the youngest guys in my area, at 26. 20 years later, there are only a couple that are younger. I like to assume governments track the demographics, and encourage kids into fields where there are needed, but that isn't what I am seeing.