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All Forum Posts by: Matt R.

Matt R. has started 118 posts and replied 3803 times.

Post: Crypto has better growth and passive income over real estate?

Matt R.Posted
  • Sherman Oaks, CA
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Originally posted by @James De Stefano:

Bitcoin is intense... obviously millions have been made, but I think that ship has sailed folks.   Anyone who buys at $45,000... you're just asking to lose 50% of your money in case this ever gets proven to be a scheme.

Upside... ok maybe it doubles to 100k.  But it's truly gambling. 

Most gamble type bets don't pay interest and that is available on crypto in kyc insured accounts at 5%.

$100k was a speculated upside when bitcoin was 5k. At $50k this now has shifted to 7 figures according to some of the most well respected fund managers in the game. 

It is still true both RE and crypto are considered high risk.  With that, risk is not an exact science, some things that were once deemed risky later proved to be not (amzn) and other things considered less risky turned out to have more risk now (USD). 

Post: Crypto has better growth and passive income over real estate?

Matt R.Posted
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Originally posted by @Jim K.:
Originally posted by @Matt R.:
Originally posted by @Jim K.:
Originally posted by @Matt R.:
Originally posted by @Jim K.:
Originally posted by @Ross Bowman:
Originally posted by @Jim K.:

I am really getting sick of the crypto-cryptocurrency-pimping on this site.

 If you think this is crypto-currency-pimping, you should check out reddit and twitter.

I actually think the discussion about it is pretty even-keeled here and I've never seen any outright shilling. 

It's something we SHOULD be talking about it, as you can already borrow against your bitcoin and use it for RE projects. It will only become more relevant to the RE world over time, so it's good to learn about it. 

POWER IS NEVER INNOCENT. Cryptocurrency WILL be shut down. FDR robbed the rich of their gold holdings. You will be robbed of your Bitcoin holdings, one way or the other. You live under a repressive social order that will crush you when you challenge it. Your neck has yet to feel the government's jackboot on it, that's all. You are all soft ivory-tower dreamers imagining you live in a fair and just society that will gradually give way to an even fairer, more just society, because it's best for its people. For the children. For all mankind. Happy days in a happy land of endless flowing rivers of milk and honey and Bitcoin.

 Anything's possible however the number of billionaires and large insitutions including Americas oldest bank and insurance company that are putting bitcoin on their treasuries currently, the gov shut down risk is perhaps less likely today. (Lobbyist money) 

In terms of math it was riskier not to own bitcoin and this is why the big money is coming and or already in today. It is no longer about one persons opinion, it's just investment math and that math is no longer being ignored by most investors today.

The oligarchs thought they could fight Putin, too. Oopsies.

I get what you are saying. Today some think this is less likely perhaps as a country would only be shooting themselves in the foot not to being able to tax it if they banned it. If one country decided it was illegal, another country would fill in quickly as the goto option is the working theory. There is competition for the best conditions for it. We are already seeing that on the state level with a couple states favoring crypto as to capture some of that new mula and mining opps. The same is happening with other countries as well. Maybe it is not about being the only worlds currency as it is about being private property unencumbered from any one governments manipulation. Keep in mind one of the known major appeals of bitcoin is it is unconfiscatable. The statement crypto currency will be shut down, that chance has already passed might be where we are actually at presently. 

In the way you think about politics and economics, is there any room for amoral thugs with guns who make other people do what they want? You sound for all the world like a late nineteenth century intellectual arguing in vague, macro terms that socialism is obviously the next inevitable step in the human condition as we progress from being to spirit. I don't mean to be insulting. There's just no nastiness in your understanding of how the powerful stop being powerful, and there should be.

 This is exactly one of the issues bitcoin solves. It does not require an army to defend it nor the expenses of such army. When the powerful ( Soros and types) already own it as they do now and more and more everyday, the threat to them stopping from being powerful part is mostly over.

I get your thinking still, although the days of banning are pretty much over by all accounts. Even the 1% of countries who entertained that idea have reversed this course or are in the process. In a nut shell, it is fiscally counterproductive to ban now. All this sort of reminds me of the legal weed dealio, ...it's kind of game over there too as far as if legalize can happen. 

In other words the writing is on the wall. We have a new asset class for the first time in 400 years. The chances of it being shut down now are nearing zero %.

Post: Crypto has better growth and passive income over real estate?

Matt R.Posted
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Originally posted by @Jim K.:
Originally posted by @Matt R.:
Originally posted by @Jim K.:
Originally posted by @Ross Bowman:
Originally posted by @Jim K.:

I am really getting sick of the crypto-cryptocurrency-pimping on this site.

 If you think this is crypto-currency-pimping, you should check out reddit and twitter.

I actually think the discussion about it is pretty even-keeled here and I've never seen any outright shilling. 

It's something we SHOULD be talking about it, as you can already borrow against your bitcoin and use it for RE projects. It will only become more relevant to the RE world over time, so it's good to learn about it. 

POWER IS NEVER INNOCENT. Cryptocurrency WILL be shut down. FDR robbed the rich of their gold holdings. You will be robbed of your Bitcoin holdings, one way or the other. You live under a repressive social order that will crush you when you challenge it. Your neck has yet to feel the government's jackboot on it, that's all. You are all soft ivory-tower dreamers imagining you live in a fair and just society that will gradually give way to an even fairer, more just society, because it's best for its people. For the children. For all mankind. Happy days in a happy land of endless flowing rivers of milk and honey and Bitcoin.

 Anything's possible however the number of billionaires and large insitutions including Americas oldest bank and insurance company that are putting bitcoin on their treasuries currently, the gov shut down risk is perhaps less likely today. (Lobbyist money) 

In terms of math it was riskier not to own bitcoin and this is why the big money is coming and or already in today. It is no longer about one persons opinion, it's just investment math and that math is no longer being ignored by most investors today.

The oligarchs thought they could fight Putin, too. Oopsies.

I get what you are saying. Today some think this is less likely perhaps as a country would only be shooting themselves in the foot not to being able to tax it if they banned it. If one country decided it was illegal, another country would fill in quickly as the goto option is the working theory. There is competition for the best conditions for it. We are already seeing that on the state level with a couple states favoring crypto as to capture some of that new mula and mining opps. The same is happening with other countries as well. Maybe it is not about being the only worlds currency as it is about being private property unencumbered from any one governments manipulation. Keep in mind one of the known major appeals of bitcoin is it is unconfiscatable. The statement crypto currency will be shut down, that chance has already passed might be where we are actually at presently. 

Post: Crypto has better growth and passive income over real estate?

Matt R.Posted
  • Sherman Oaks, CA
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Originally posted by @Jim K.:
Originally posted by @Ross Bowman:
Originally posted by @Jim K.:

I am really getting sick of the crypto-cryptocurrency-pimping on this site.

 If you think this is crypto-currency-pimping, you should check out reddit and twitter.

I actually think the discussion about it is pretty even-keeled here and I've never seen any outright shilling. 

It's something we SHOULD be talking about it, as you can already borrow against your bitcoin and use it for RE projects. It will only become more relevant to the RE world over time, so it's good to learn about it. 

POWER IS NEVER INNOCENT. Cryptocurrency WILL be shut down. FDR robbed the rich of their gold holdings. You will be robbed of your Bitcoin holdings, one way or the other. You live under a repressive social order that will crush you when you challenge it. Your neck has yet to feel the government's jackboot on it, that's all. You are all soft ivory-tower dreamers imagining you live in a fair and just society that will gradually give way to an even fairer, more just society, because it's best for its people. For the children. For all mankind. Happy days in a happy land of endless flowing rivers of milk and honey and Bitcoin.

 Anything's possible however the number of billionaires and large insitutions including Americas oldest bank and insurance company that are putting bitcoin on their treasuries currently, the gov shut down risk is perhaps less likely today. (Lobbyist money) 

In terms of math it was riskier not to own bitcoin and this is why the big money is coming and or already in today. It is no longer about one persons opinion, it's just investment math and that math is no longer being ignored by most investors today.

Post: Crypto has better growth and passive income over real estate?

Matt R.Posted
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What I am seeing now is when you have a lot of crypto you will also invest in RE and when you have a lot of real estate you will also put some in crypto. It is the first new asset class to come along in 400 years so many want at least one finger in that pie as it grows up.

Will bitcoin outperform REI averages say over next 5 or 10 year windows? Almost for sure it will due to where its growth cycle is presently. Bottom line is it is virtually the same money buying both now though.

Good luck!

Post: Our 1 year journey to 22 units & $10,000/mo cashflow without OPM

Matt R.Posted
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Nice job. I like what you said about location as the one thing you can't fix in REI. This investor mindset can save many when going over expected rehab budget etc. Location is perhaps the only real passive part of REI. Good luck!

Post: How to combat the growing hatred for Landlords?

Matt R.Posted
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Perhaps start with changing the term and soften it from landlord to affordable housing provider. Less hate for housing providers.

Post: Bitcoin

Matt R.Posted
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Originally posted by @Ross Bowman:
Originally posted by @Matt R.:
Originally posted by @Ross Bowman:

The future of bitcoin is in LENDING and decentralized finance. 

Example: using platforms like BlockFi, you can literally borrow USD against the BTC you hold, or lend your BTC to other people in a P2P way. You can also earn very competitive interest on crypto, which I'm experimenting with now (8.6% APY on USDC, for example).

While this is still early, and there are some logistics to work out, I'm sure any real estate investor will understand how disruptive this truly is. 

My original plan for this bull run was to take profits closer to the top of the cycle, but things like this make me question that. Why not just hold indefinitely and borrow against it?

Imagine mortgages and lines of credit without traditional fiat banks. It's huge. 

Bitcoin banking might have a future role here. I am with one outfit that is kyc insured and pays upto 7.5% on my bitcoin and ethereum. The loans available are instantaneous. That might change things up a bit as this was never possible pre bitcoin. 

Personally I would still take profits but maybe way less now as too avoid tax hits. 

Which one are you using man? I'm still exploring the options but definitely think there's something big here.

We're still super early though, as most of the RE community either doesn't get it yet or doesn't want to.

I will DM you the name. They regularly advertise so you know the name. 

Post: Real Estate for sale for Bitcoin

Matt R.Posted
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Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

You can buy a house with anything you want as long as both parties agree. I wonder how many chickens it would take to purchase a $16.9 million property?

Bitcoin is volatile and I would be worried about protections. I've heard you can't reverse a bitcoin transaction, so if you're taken for a ride, there's no getting off.

Bitcoin is worth $46,000 today but it was worth $57,000 just five days ago. So your buyer may be able to afford the property when they make the offer, but then two weeks later they can only afford the garage and one bathroom.

If I were the agent, I wouldn't bother unless I were an absolute expert on bitcoin. If you do decide to go through with it, you may want a strong agency agreement that ensures you are paid with traditional funds, period.

 I assume the btc would be converted to usd and then escrowed the same split second. There still could be some slippage due still. Some might still want it as straight up bitcoin, maybe a small well off % idk. 

Post: Bitcoin

Matt R.Posted
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Originally posted by @Ross Bowman:

The future of bitcoin is in LENDING and decentralized finance. 

Example: using platforms like BlockFi, you can literally borrow USD against the BTC you hold, or lend your BTC to other people in a P2P way. You can also earn very competitive interest on crypto, which I'm experimenting with now (8.6% APY on USDC, for example).

While this is still early, and there are some logistics to work out, I'm sure any real estate investor will understand how disruptive this truly is. 

My original plan for this bull run was to take profits closer to the top of the cycle, but things like this make me question that. Why not just hold indefinitely and borrow against it?

Imagine mortgages and lines of credit without traditional fiat banks. It's huge. 

Bitcoin banking might have a future role here. I am with one outfit that is kyc insured and pays upto 7.5% on my bitcoin and ethereum. The loans available are instantaneous. That might change things up a bit as this was never possible pre bitcoin. 

Personally I would still take profits but maybe way less now as too avoid tax hits.