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All Forum Posts by: Mel Adams

Mel Adams has started 13 posts and replied 83 times.

Post: Testing Demand for First MHP

Mel AdamsPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91
Quote from @Will Stewart:
Quote from @Mel Adams:
Quote from @Will Stewart:

It’s all about the market! If I were doing that level of infill I’d want to be sure the homes are selling for cash (or bank financing) at least at the $30,000 price point. Otherwise you’re either going to a) be losing money on every home sale or b) holding on to a whole bunch of POHs. Bringing in homes involves a lot of costs beyond just the cost of moving and installing the home (site work, new pad, utility connections, home make-ready costs, cost of capital….)


Thanks Will - we would infill with mostly 3/2s, and there's two other parks in the area who are selling new ones for $120k+. It'd be a good spread for us. One park has a few more more on the way which makes me think there's definitely demand for them. What's great about this park is that even though it's vacant, it's been very well kept and all the pads, utilities, and grounds are ready to go. Just need to put the homes on top.


 Sounds like the markets we’re in too, if they’re selling for $100k+. If that’s the case, sounds like a great deal. Several pieces of advice from our experience. 1) Sell the homes using a Realtor — it brings in MUCH higher quality tenants than you would marketing yourself and they screen the garbage out for you. 2) find 2-3 local lenders who will lend on mobiles in parks so your Realtor can refer folks. If you’re selling homes for $120k there is no need for you to finance them. 3) reach out to dealers, they may place a spec home or two. Sure you miss some profit, but it will speed up infill. Good luck!


 Great advice - thank you!!!

Post: Testing Demand for First MHP

Mel AdamsPosted
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  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91
Quote from @Henry Clark:

Picture.  Whichever looks the best.  Your description will be more important than the picture.  Your lease contract will be more important.


Do you live close by?  Do you plan to mow the grass and keep it clean?  Are you a Boss Hog or head Sheriff type of person?  Is this in San Diego and will there be mostly military renters?  “You” have to be the face of this community.  It is your ”family and community”.  To small for hired onsite manager. Are you adequately serviced for utilities?  Water, sewer, fire hydrants.

This isn’t a passive investment.  

Depending on up front cost and “your skillset” this is a great investment.

Cash flow as mentioned above.

1.  Decide if you want a slum or a nice place.  Gear your contracts and property towards one of those, not both.

2.  Contracts- junk cars, trash, porches and add ins, fences and vegetation, noise, age of home, contract length, etc

3.  Existing trailers if junky you need to get rid of them unless you want a slum.

4.  Find out if new trailers need to be put in footings versus just blocked up.  
5.  Cash flow.  Don’t own the trailers.  Check with local Mobile home dealers let them know you will give 1 year free lot rental to any of their new buyers.  Require all trailers to be 10 years or newer unless you want a slum.

6.  Cash flow- during rent up phase offer both long term and weekly rate RV parking.  Get with a National RV parking service.  Put these to one side of the park.

7.  If possible make it a gated community.  This will both slow down the motorcycles and tend to keep people out.

8.  Offer free lot rental to one of the RV people.  Do mowing, weeds, trash and let you know what is going on.  

9.  Out in a security camera system at the gate. Several cameras. 

This is a great value add project, but it is totally hands on.   Not passive.  


Thanks Henry, noted on the picture. No, this is out of state, not in San Diego. All city utilities and city roads which we love. Utilities are connected, would just need to submeter water. There's also a SFH at the very front of the property, so our thought was to rent it to a LTR tenant, or have an on-site manager live there for free. Or have someone (ideally a couple) that buys one of our homes and can oversee the park, and assist with basic maintenance/upkeep in exchange for free lot rent + bonuses/compensation. What would you recommend for one this size?

One year free lot rent is interesting - so if we're going to purchase and sell the homes (most likely via buyers securing financing, highly doubt there would be any cash buyers - similar parks in the area are selling their new homes for $120k+), we'll make a good return there, then offer free lot rent for the first year? Is that what you mean? 

The park is tucked away at the end of what's essentially a residential street, but yes we're considering making it gated. 

Appreciate your input!

Post: Testing Demand for First MHP

Mel AdamsPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91
Quote from @Will Stewart:

It’s all about the market! If I were doing that level of infill I’d want to be sure the homes are selling for cash (or bank financing) at least at the $30,000 price point. Otherwise you’re either going to a) be losing money on every home sale or b) holding on to a whole bunch of POHs. Bringing in homes involves a lot of costs beyond just the cost of moving and installing the home (site work, new pad, utility connections, home make-ready costs, cost of capital….)


Thanks Will - we would infill with mostly 3/2s, and there's two other parks in the area who are selling new ones for $120k+. It'd be a good spread for us. One park has a few more more on the way which makes me think there's definitely demand for them. What's great about this park is that even though it's vacant, it's been very well kept and all the pads, utilities, and grounds are ready to go. Just need to put the homes on top.

Post: Testing Demand for First MHP

Mel AdamsPosted
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  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91
Quote from @Mario Dattilo:

Mel sounds like you’re on the right track. Yes test ads are good. You can just use a pic of another home and not a factory stock photo.

All sounds good except I would caution you on buying a park with only 3 occupied lots. You’re going to be negative on cash flow likely for a while and buying, bringing in, setting up and selling is a great way to create a ton of value but it is capital intense and time consuming. Most people underestimate that process. It creates the most value but is also the hardest to do. 

I alway recommend new investors find a light value add deal that has in place cash flow and a clear path to stabilization with maybe some infill but not heavily weighted on it.

Doing a very heavy lift for your first deal is riskier but also holds you up from doing more deals as it will take you years to fill that up which will take a lot of your time that could be focused on more deals. Not saying you shouldnt buy it but consider the value of your time and your goals and see if taking on a heavy lift gets you there. 

My profile has some great resources for MHP investors. Hope this was helpful. Good luck with it. 


Thanks for the feedback Mario. Noted on the test ad. I'm actually partnering with family on this, and this would be their third MHP (my first). The only difference is that on the first two they did, they partnered with an uber experienced operator who identified the parks in a market he was already familiar with. So I feel like that's the experience we're lacking for this new one. They managed much larger infill and clean up for the first two. 

I'm glad you brought up the stabilization time, that's been one of the hesitations for this one. I'll check out the resources you have. Appreciate it!

Post: Testing Demand for First MHP

Mel AdamsPosted
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  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91

Hi everyone - in the middle of analyzing what would be my first MHP. In terms of testing demand, I've looked at rental comps and SFH median pricing versus average lot rent/home rent and sale price of a new mobile home in the market. All seems to check out and there's a healthy spread.

I called around to the other MHPs in the area as a "prospective tenant" and found there's very limited or no availability across the board. 

The park I'm looking at isn't large by any means, it's a little over 30 lots, and is essentially vacant with only 3 residents, all in older TOHs (owner has had this park a long time, doesn't want to manage it or add residents). Our goal would be to fill it with TOHs by buying a few new homes at a time, placing them in the park, and selling them to new residents. Our thought with this is to use the proceeds to continue filling the park and maintain the quality. 

I'd like to put out a test ad as well, but do we use a stock photo as opposed to a picture of a home in the park? Is a test ad more applicable to POHs? 

Looking for any feedback as this would be my first one. Thank you!

Post: MTR in a rough side of town

Mel AdamsPosted
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  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91

Seeing how the other listings are distributed in your screenshot would make me a little nervous. Are the three just north of yours booked right now? 

It sounds like you're already on top of this, but if you're targeting travel nurses, keep in mind the majority are women and if you think the neighborhood is a little sketchy, they probably will too. Hopefully someone more familiar with the area will chime in, but if you can get by being in that neighborhood, you might even have to undercut price to compete with not being in the preferred area. 

Good luck!

Post: Best Market for Midterm Rentals

Mel AdamsPosted
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  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91
Quote from @Bonnie Low:

I don't know that there is a "best" market for MTRs. But there are definitely locations that don't work well. I always recommend you start by looking at your specific property. What is the location, how big is it, how is it laid out? This, more than anything, will help you determine who your target guest is. The mistake I see a lot of people making, especially right now, is thinking any property can work as an MTR and any guest should be happy to stay there and pay 2x-3x the market rate for an LTR. That just is not the case. The location matters. Guests want to stay in an attractive property with good amenities in a SAFE location. Those are pretty much universals (unless you're catering to construction or oil field workers - very specific niches). Travel medical professionals typically prefer their own space - not a room in a shared home. For this reason, 1/1s and 2/1s work very well for this guest type but expect to be able to collect 1.5 - 2x market rate if targeting this guest type - the days of massive per diems for travel medical professionals are gone. Digital nomads typically prefer a super cool space (like a Yurt with good WiFi or a tiny home with good WiFi) OR they like 2/1s so they have a separate, dedicated office space to WFH. Families prefer 3+ bedrooms. Sometimes these are families relocating to the area who need to rent before they buy. Insurance placements pay THE premium in this niche and usually are looking for 3/2 and bigger, nice neighborhoods and excellent quality. There are always exceptions, of course, but you can begin to see the nuances and why it's so difficult to name a "best" market for MTRs. 


I second this! The # of bedrooms will attract different types of MTR tenants. Travel nurses are the most talked about, but cities with high inbound relocation is a large tenant base as well. Which of those three cities has the most people moving in from other cities/states? I think relying solely on travel nurses can get you in trouble. 

Post: MTR long term strategy tips/concerns

Mel AdamsPosted
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  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91

Are the comps around yours booked? If they're booked and your price/property is comparable you shouldn't have a problem. 

Post: Converting LTR to MTR: Exceeding 5 miles from Hospitals

Mel AdamsPosted
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  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91
Quote from @Torry McFall:

I wonder if they care about their surroundings. Hospital areas aren't always surrounded by the nicest surrounding residential areas. That's true here. Maybe that doesn't matter to traveling nurses. Maybe they just want to get off their shift and be in a bed as quickly as possible. I don't know the nature of the tenant yet. 

Travel nurses are predominantly women who often take assignments traveling alone, so yes, safety is always a consideration and you should aim for A or B neighborhoods. You need to find a mix of a good neighborhood and close to hospitals.

Post: 1031 Exchange on Second Home

Mel AdamsPosted
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  • San Diego
  • Posts 86
  • Votes 91

Hi all - I have an out of state property I purchased in Dec 2021 (less than two years of ownership) using a second home loan. It was purchased with the intention of being a second home as I have family in the area, but it’s rented the majority of the year. In the last year I used it for less than 14 days and it was rented for the bulk of the year (short term and mid term rental). 

Does this qualify to do a 1031 exchange? I thought 1+ year of ownership was sufficient, but now I’m seeing 2+ years specifically for second homes. I’ve read intent is also important, but how subjective is that? Me wanting to sell this property is contingent on being able to use a 1031 exchange, so I don’t want to get 70% of the way there then realize I can’t do the exchange. 

Any input is appreciated, I’m a novice in this area. Thank you!