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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 11 posts and replied 613 times.

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Matt K.:

I'd wager you could find the appropriate meaning seeing how badly you want this to stay on topic...

I have been told there is a general culture of renting out SFR units as an apartment as an alternative to get property to cash flow... this of course ties right in to the affordability issue.

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Matt K.:

I'd wager you could find the appropriate meaning seeing how badly you want this to stay on topic...

 low cap rate? traffic?

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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different can mean lots of things... 

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Matt K.:

@Account Closed just out of curiosity have you been to CA?

 A few times why? Almost got caught in bad traffic :-)

 Reason why I need a jet to get around :-)

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Matt K.:

@Account Closed just out of curiosity have you been to CA?

 A few times why? Almost got caught in bad traffic :-)

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Matt K.:

Becasue we aren't talking about the state, we're talking LA or LA metro

The Southern California Region reversed a three-month decline and posted a 1.3 percent improvement in pending sales from the previous year, aided largely by healthy gains in Orange and Riverside counties, which marked increases of 12.5 percent and 8.4 percent, respectively. Pending sales in San Diego, San Bernardino, and Los Angeles counties declined from last May, but those counties had drops of less than 5 percent.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/california-pending-home-sales-stumble-for-fifth-straight-month-in-may-car-reports-300480998.html

 lol, you still trying to justify.

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Michael Lucero:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Michael Lucero:

The demand in LA is significantly built up by foreign money, as opposed to the people living their. Chinese in particular having been locking up their capital in LA real estate by the billions, which is one of the reasons for the disparity in income and housing prices. Heck, with the eb-5 visa, there are entire luxury condo complexes going up in downtown with hardly anyone living in them. Once this foreign money dries up And interest rates creep up, you should hopefully see prices drop, but i dont think it will be a burst.

 It is true that foreign direct investment in US Real Estate surged about 49% for instance from last year and is contributing to price escalations. This however is a risk... because you have an external variable driving local prices way beyond wage levels. Either local or foreign government policies (or both) can dramatically affect foreign investor investment decisions or investment volumes of this sort and isnt something you make dramatic speculations with regarding continued price growth.

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/40710-foreign...

Totally agree, given the numbers, the foreign purchases have gotten to a level where you could consider them a hindrance to the local population's home ownership ability and it is a definite possibility that government intervenes. However, until something actually happens, this is speculation and without gvt intervention, demand is demand and prices should stay strong. So it seems this entire thing hinges on whether the gvt does something or not, which is something that investors have to speculate on when making purchase decisions.

I am not blaming foreign investors for what LA is experiencing, the inflow of foreign funds however inevitably escalates the issue. Not just in LA but in other states where they are investing. The Canadians felt the effect of this severely in recent Vancouver and Toronto prices. It isn't speculation, it actually already happened in Canada.. so part of the 49% surge in the US is due to diversion of funds from Canada by foreign investors there where they faced an additional 15% foreign investor tax, that was recently assessed specifically to thwart the bubble there.

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Matt K.:

Here let me save you the click:
"Some parents are very very very well off and are capable of making a gift of a house to a kid," says Richard Green, director of the USC Lusk Center for Real Estate.

Green adds that his research shows another group that makes up cash buyers: people in the tech industry.

"People who work at Google, people who work at Facebook, people who work at LinkedIn," he says.

Some of these people aren't just paid well, but they're also paid with stock options.

When their hot tech company goes public, that means they can cash out. Big time.

"In California, people sell stock to buy houses in a big way," says Green, noting that it's a phenomenon unique to just our state and New York.

http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2017/07/12/57900/socal-so-curious-who-are-the-cash-buyers-in-socal/

 Last time I checked only about 28% of RE transactions in CA were cash only transactions not involving financing. 

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Michael Lucero:
Originally posted by @Matt K.:
Originally posted by @Michael Lucero:

The demand in LA is significantly built up by foreign money, as opposed to the people living their. Chinese in particular having been locking up their capital in LA real estate by the billions, which is one of the reasons for the disparity in income and housing prices. Heck, with the eb-5 visa, there are entire luxury condo complexes going up in downtown with hardly anyone living in them. Once this foreign money dries up And interest rates creep up, you should hopefully see prices drop, but i dont think it will be a burst.

 What do you think about this article?
http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2017/07/12/5...

 I agree, i was going to mention rich parents as well. Its sort of the only way for a situation like this to exist, rich people buying, since the regular population cant afford to buy, on the average. As well as people stretching themselves too thin, but i would argue this isnt at levels to justify calling it a bubble. 

Sure foreign money was really coming in 4/5 years ago but in no way has it gone a it still exists in a large way. I have several chinese acquaintances in the LA area and helping the chinese buy is still going strong.

 How would you explain 5 months of consecutive pending sales decline in California that just so happens to coincide with median prices in CA grazing 2008 pop level? Even with cost of credit being significantly lower than back then?

Post: Housing Bubble: Why it may be worse than previously thought

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Originally posted by @Matt K.:

I think the people that are telling you it's incorrect don't know how to better articulate what they see. Like I said (and have shown various sources) wages CAN support these "crazy" house prices. No, not forever, yes it's a bubble, CA is a boom and bust market. What I'm trying to tell you is that we don't have the supply in any major metro to support the median wage earner with affordable housing. 

What we do have is concentrated sectors of wealth and people who are more than willing to pay a huge premium to live as close to work as they can afford. Look at the silicon valley, it's BORING. It's not fun, the houses aren't great, if it was anywhere else in the world it'd be unlikely to gain a second look. But the traffic sucks so bad that people are willing to plunk down SERIOUS cash via rent or buying a house to cut down that commute.  LA had bad traffic before tech overflowed, they don't have public transit like most other major metros. 

SF I think has reached damn near the top of it's bubble and has taken people (even the wealthy) to their limits for reaching the max COL/housing. I think that people are going to see LA as a "cheaper" alternative to SF/SV.

 You havent shown anything that says current wage levels supports current RE prices. You referenced what you think is going on in tech or what you think will happen in tech and I tell you tech doesnt reflect what is happening through out LA. You can view the link I sent previously if you want to know what percent of the labor force works in tech. It is already accounted for in the current median income for LA. If you were to subtract tech from the data, median LA income would be in the $40,000's not $50,000's.

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