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All Forum Posts by: Ming Lim

Ming Lim has started 19 posts and replied 313 times.

Post: Ask Me Anything - Investing in Toronto AMA!

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Renee McGrady - Goodness - I forgot to reply to you! We've always approached investing by fundamentals. What does this mean to me?

  1. 1) Major centers of employment and population - esp in a post COVID world. We won't be working from home forever and offices, malls, places of entertainment will all return one day. With that in mind, I would want to invest in an area where the local economy is as diverse as possible as there's a greater chance of buffered impacts to employment. 
  2. 2) Transportation - the trend is away from people not owning their own cars. So public transit is key. Even for those that choose not to use public transit, you'll need a place well support by uber and the other drive sharing programs. 
  3. 3) Tenant profiles - This is super key. Wherever you're buying you want to ensure you're getting GREAT tenant profiles. Responsible, young professionals are who we go after. I can write pages on why, but in general, we want tenants who'd rather eat Kraft Dinner and still make rent if they're short on money. We stay far, far away from what my business partner loves to call, the "beer and weed" tenant profile - people who will spend their money on beer and weed, and pay rent with whatever is left over.

Hope that helps!!

Cheers,

Ming

Post: Toronto/Canada Network 🇨🇦

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Jamie Thompson - Welcome to BP! I invest and live in the Toronto area. I also run a business which helps people invest in Toronto. Lastly, I run a meetup group of about 2000 members who also are focused on investing here in Toronto. So I'm pretty in deep on the city! LOL! Hope you and your family are staying safe and healthy during these crazy times.

Cheers,

Ming 

Post: Ask Me Anything - Investing in Toronto AMA!

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Shauna Sara - My personal opinion for beginning investors, is not to chase "the best area" or "the best kind of property" to invest in, because it's not as important as you might think it is. Here are a few things I would focus on.

Be an expert on your target demographic - We're really specific on the kind of people we're looking for to rent too. We like young professional Millennials, 2-5 years out of university, earning about $60-80k, working in areas like, tech, law, finance, healthcare, etc. Why do we like this demographic? Because in our eyes, they're the perfect tenants - because me and my friends were just like this when we were in our twenties. We would rather eat Kraft Dinner than be late on a rent payment and we took great care of the places we lived in. Plus, people in their twenties are transient and naturally move every few years. This may seem counterintuitive at first, but having tenant turnover is the easiest way to bring rents back up to market. We don't believe in renovictions, or other underhanded strategies, to raise rents. So, we focused on buying in areas that this demographic wants to live, which leads me to my next point.

Be an expert in your area - Where ever you invest, be it Kitchener or Hamilton or Waterloo or Toronto, it doesn't really matter. You can make good money in any of those places as long as you are an expert in the areas you're buying in. You should know on a street-by-street level differences in the homes, prices, and demographic. I always jokingly say, if you don't know the difference between Moss Park and High Park, and you think they're just nice parks, don't invest in Toronto.

Look at the total return of your investment - This was one of the biggest lessons for me was to look at the overall return of my investment. Not just the cash flow, but look at the cash-on-cash + cash-on-appreciation, and cash-on-equity. You'll notice that purchase price is not a consideration in my calculations. Not because that isn't important, but purchase price is not a function of returns. So give yourself a range that you'd be comfortable investing, and look for properties within that entire range.

It's not all about the money - As my portfolio grew, I came to realize that getting an extra $200 or cash flow meant absolutely nothing to my daily life. It's not like I was going to retire with an extra $200 a month. Heck, in Toronto, that's one fancy dinner. Instead, once I got okay cash flow, I cared about other things. Is it difficult to manage? Can I scale easily? Do I have a team to execute in that area on my strategy - contractors, property management, etc.? Questions like that became much more important.

Anyway, sorry for the long reply, but "where should I invest" is kind of the wrong question in my eyes. I believe anyone that tells you XXXXX place is the best place to invest, doesn't know a thing about your knowledge, your goals, and your comfort level.

If you want to do student rentals, for example, you should know everything about the university you're investing near. What are their growth plans? What has the city allowed for in terms of student rentals? What do students want to live in? Where do student want to live? It should be clear where you should invest if you know all the answers to my points above - and the answers for that will be different for everyone.

Hope that helps!

Cheers,

Ming

Post: Ask Me Anything - Investing in Toronto AMA!

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Sandeep Agarwal - I'd be happy to have a chat. Send me a DM and we can arrange a time. Thanks!

Post: Ask Me Anything - Investing in Toronto AMA!

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Philip Robbins - Hi Philip! Perhaps I misspoke on the podcast, but the requirement isn't that triplexes must have forced air HVAC, it's just the easiest way for us to achieve the required fire separation and meet the heat recovery ventilation requirements. It also allows each unit to have complete control over the heating and cooling, vs a shared zoned HVAC which is similar to a condo.

Fire should not be able to propagate through the HVAC, so if it's a shared HVAC, it'll need some sort of fire suppression system. Or something like a boiler with rads which by the nature of the system, wouldn't allow for fire propagation. The challenge is meeting the HRV requirements with a boiler / rad system, which means installing ductless AC, and now I'm back to a complicated multi-system solution.

Hope that helps!

Post: Ask Me Anything - Investing in Toronto AMA!

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

Hi Folks!

Biggerpockets has always been a great resource for me, so I wanted to give back a bit to the community.

I understand that investing in Toronto makes me a bit unique amongst investors, so I wanted to open up the floor and answer any questions about investing in Toronto. A bit about myself. I started investing in student rental properties in 2001 in Waterloo and reached 21 doors at one point there. I also started investing in Toronto at the same time and in the last 7-8 years have almost entirely migrated my portfolio to Toronto. I did this because of a number of reasons: better tenant profiles, better returns, scalability, ability to execute more complicated renovations, local expertise, etc. Between and my business partners, we've invested in lots of areas, Hamilton, Waterloo, Sudbury and Edmonton - we've all ended back in Toronto. Of course, you can make money anywhere if you know what you're doing. This is just my personal journey.

I'll answer the number one question I get about investing in Toronto - Is it possible to get cash flowing properties in Toronto? - Yes! You can't expect to buy a single family property here in Toronto and rent it out and cash flow - it takes a bit more. We use a various strategies, but the most popular one we use is densification where we take single family homes and turn them into legal triplexes to get cash flow. It's not cheap or easy. Closing costs are around $300k and renovations can be upwards of $500k with holding costs. From closing to tenants moving in takes about 1 year. But we take a property from $1.2M and exit around $1.9-2.0M by the end of this process. If we hold after refi, we're getting about $500-600 in cash flow. 

Okay - let me know what other questions you have! I'm happy to answer!

Cheers,

Ming

Post: Anyone look at resale condos in GTA?

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Hosup Lee - I'd be curious to understand your numbers. I did a quick analysis using our investment calculator on our website with the regent park listing, and I'm seeing approx negative $1200 cash flow a month. That's at 3%, 30yr am. So one of us is missing something big here. :) 

Post: are bp tools and services canadian friendly ?

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Richard Poitras - Finding Canadian centric material is tough. It was one of my biggest struggles when first investing.

There are few places I'd point you. Erwin Szeto's (aka Mr. Hamilton) podcast. Lots of Canadian centric content and podcasts guests are always talking about tools that they use. As mentioned above, calculators in general will work, the one on our website could be applied to both US and Canadian markets, what is missed, are things that are specific to your situation, like taxes. First time home buyers credit, capital gains taxes, etc, etc. These are all key elements in your investing strategy, but a calculator won't take those into account.

Hope that helps!

Cheers,

Ming

Oh and voting on someone's post is a simple way of acknowledging what they've said is helpful. At least that's why I click the vote button. :)

Post: Do you all use realtors when buying for BRRRR?

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125

@Aldo Gutierrez - I'd say it depends highly on the market your investing in. Some areas of Southern Ontario, there are plenty of good off-market properties. Also, if stakes a low for you (it's a cheap property relative to your financial situation), then mitigating your risk by having an experienced investor realtor might not be worthwhile to you. However, if you're investing in a complex market like Toronto (where I invest) and stakes and risk are higher ($1.2-1.3MM homes, $450-500k renos, $2MM AVR's) then you should absolutely be working with a top notch team.

Post: My first investment property

Ming LimPosted
  • Investor
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 320
  • Votes 125
Originally posted by @Arthur Wong:

Hi Sammy,

I'm staying in the Cleveland area. I've bought a second property using cash and at the beginning of this year I refinanced my own house in Canada to buy three more properties in the Cleveland area. Hopefully by the end of this year, I'll have a total of six properties which will pay for my kids educations when they get to university/college.

After that though, I'd love to get into apartments (like everyone else). I'm not sure if that's going to be in the States or here in the uber expensive markets of the Greater Toronto Area.

Any leads or help from peeps on BP would be awesome!

Thanks,

Arthur

Hi @Arthur Wong, I'm an investor in the uber expensive Toronto market! Let me know if you have any questions about investing here. One word of caution, having invested in other markets in the past. Don't buy cheap, buy smart. This doesn't mean that buying cheap is bad, but often times, people go after certain markets simply because prices are lower and don't question WHY it's cheaper. Is it tenants profiles? Is it poor population growth? Is there reliance on single industry? Is there no infrastructure investment? etc, etc. Regardless of the buy-in price, whatever market you chose to invest in, ensure that your confident in answering those questions. I hope that helps - I always get a little irked when people shy away from a market simply because of price, as there is so much more to consider than price alone!

Cheers,

Ming